Hamilton’s emergency housing network.

[Oldfellah]

https://tinyurl.com/2fkcbcsc

It’s not dark on Ulster St, it’s red and blue.

A constant stream of lights and sirens snake down the road, where emergency housing motels line both sides.
The Government paid $350 a night for the motel room, featuring mould, the smell of sewage, a smoking heat pump, and exposed bed springs.
Meanwhile, Waikato motels earned more than $100 million from the Government during the Covid-19 pandemic as the country grapples with a housing crisis and the soaring cost of living.

Figures show the Anglesea Motel and Conference Centre – the top earner in the region and second place nationally – was paid $11.7m to house 408 people over two years.

Where did these ferals use to live before this woke government decided to put them up in Motels? Because wherever that was they can go back again. The local supermarket I go to is opposite one of these Motels and from the carpark you can hear the foul language, shouting and screaming. This is just not good enough, Ms Ardern put them up in a Motel in your area and see what happens.

[Praktica]

Wow - someone has the hate and gibberish turned up high this afternoon!

[Oldfellah]

Wow - someone has the hate and gibberish turned up high this afternoon!

Not hate and gibberish, its just been going on for far too long, read the story that is linked to my thread, I live in Hamilton and to see what is going on in Ulster street is horrible.

[Praktica]

"Woke" is gibberish.

[SueDonim]

https://tinyurl.com/2fkcbcsc

It’s not dark on Ulster St, it’s red and blue.

A constant stream of lights and sirens snake down the road, where emergency housing motels line both sides.
The Government paid $350 a night for the motel room, featuring mould, the smell of sewage, a smoking heat pump, and exposed bed springs.
Meanwhile, Waikato motels earned more than $100 million from the Government during the Covid-19 pandemic as the country grapples with a housing crisis and the soaring cost of living.

Figures show the Anglesea Motel and Conference Centre – the top earner in the region and second place nationally – was paid $11.7m to house 408 people over two years.

Where did these ferals use to live before this woke government decided to put them up in Motels? Because wherever that was they can go back again. The local supermarket I go to is opposite one of these Motels and from the carpark you can hear the foul language, shouting and screaming. This is just not good enough, Ms Ardern put them up in a Motel in your area and see what happens.

They used to live in the lower standard housing provided by what are colloquially known as slumlords. Then the government introduced all the new rules to improve housing. Those landlords that chose to stay in the business spent thousands of dollars upgrading their properties and now wish to have nice tenants (who now pay a lot more than they used to). And the landlords that didn't want to do that sold up and bailed out. So now there are fewer houses for tenants, and those that are available are too expensive for the ferals, and the landlords that own them don't need to let them to ferals because there are plenty of good tenants who won't trash their properties. So the leftovers than can't get a proper rental end up in government-provided motel rooms, that are not suitable for living in long term.

Yes, I know that's an over-generalisation but it's actually pretty accurate. The bottom line is that the bottom feeders no longer have anywhere to go. Before the "caring" government forced the property upgrades, at least there were houses for those people, even if they were seriously substandard. Now there aren't.

[Oldfellah]

SueDonim,
Great answer thank you , you mentioned things that I didnt know.

Praktica
"woke"is certainly not gibberish.

[Zurdo]

You need a few thousand dollars in your back pocket to get a rental these days...bond, months rent up front etc. If you lost your job and spent all your money on food and fuel, you can't make that payment. My daughters are looking for a new rental, it's a struggle to find a nice place on minimum wage. A friend of mine was living in motels a few years ago (RIP 2019), he was terminally ill, and renting a place was not going to happen. I don't know if it was government funded at that time or not.

[Praktica]

SueDonim,
Great answer thank you , you mentioned things that I didnt know.

Praktica
"woke"is certainly not gibberish.

What does it mean, then?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

It is from the Black Lives Matter culture, and means to be awakened to realities. For us to use it is a form of appropriation, because we do not have the background to be awakened from.

Btw, Rotorua is a lot worse off than Hamilton. Emergency housing motels wise, that is.

[Oldfellah]

SueDonim,
Great answer thank you , you mentioned things that I didnt know.

Praktica
"woke"is certainly not gibberish.

What does it mean, then?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+is+woke

[Olive]

....

Btw, Rotorua is a lot worse off than Hamilton. Emergency housing motels wise, that is.

That's right.   An aspect that is overlooked is that when the pandemic struck there was a need to get homeless people into accommodation where they could be safe, traceable and vaccinated.   At the same time of course there were tourist accommodation providers suddenly with no tourists.  It made sense to use the vacant motels and hotels for emergency accommodation and this saved many tourism businesses from insolvency.    Now tourist towns like Rotorua are suffering unintended consequences,    but I believe that on balance  it was a worthwhile tactic and saved many lives.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Absolutely. And social housing is being built as fast as they can. The trouble is simply housing people doesn't make them better people nor does it solve all the other problems they face.

I live in social housing. We are all here for multiple reasons, poverty isn't the only one. Many simply do not know how to live any other way than the way they always have lived, and many see no reason to change. But then, that applies across all of our community, homed, or homeless. We all have our baggage. Some heavier than others.

[Praktica]

What does it mean, then?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+is+woke

Good - "alert to injustice and discrimination in society, especially racism:". If you object to this, what does it make you?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think it makes us among the privileged, who do not understand injustice, discrimination, racism - because we have never really experienced it. Or been alerted to it. If sexism is excluded that is, and ageism.

Funny thing, I am a fities child, but for years I was completely oblivious to the way we women were cut out of decisionmaking, the way we were ushered into defined roles and rendered powerless by the mechanisms and strategies of the community we were part of. Until Womens Lib... And still, the effects of racism escaped me, until I had a Maori lover and gave birth to his daughter. Raising her was a real life lesson in the way that same community treats Maori.

Unless it directly impacts our life, lots of the challenges other people endure remain out of sight for many of us. Perhaps it is only when we are forced by life to face some previously unnoticed realities, that we can begin to make changes, in ourselves, and the society that supports us.

[Lilith7]

The hateful term 'feral' is used more & more often to denigrate all poor people. It isn't helpful to label people as being 'other,' but fixing the problem isn't something which can be done overnight.
Its unlikely to be fun & games for those in this situation & the old game of blaming the poor for being poor just doesn't wash anymore. Poverty is created; in NZ its been created by both Labour & National as a means of enriching the few at the expense of many - to then blame those suffering under the system is short-sighted but it helps vent feelings.

There are houses being built (quite a few here, as it happens) but even so, what's taken decades to create is likely to take years & possibly decades to fix. And the situation wasn't helped by the sale of state housing some years ago.

What needs to happen imo is for both main parties to get off their bums, put their pettiness aside & work together for once, making housing a priority here - build more state houses, housing to rent, (now being done) & affordable housing.


Long term I think we could do worse than to emulate those Nordic countries which have high taxes, covering education, health etc. etc. as far as possible. They also have the happiest people so it seems a mix of capitalism & socialism works very well.

[Praktica]

The hateful term 'feral' is used more & more often to denigrate all poor people. It isn't helpful to label people as being 'other,' but fixing the problem isn't something which can be done overnight.
Its unlikely to be fun & games for those in this situation & the old game of blaming the poor for being poor just doesn't wash anymore. Poverty is created; in NZ its been created by both Labour & National as a means of enriching the few at the expense of many - to then blame those suffering under the system is short-sighted but it helps vent feelings.

There are houses being built (quite a few here, as it happens) but even so, what's taken decades to create is likely to take years & possibly decades to fix. And the situation wasn't helped by the sale of state housing some years ago.

What needs to happen imo is for both main parties to get off their bums, put their pettiness aside & work together for once, making housing a priority here - build more state houses, housing to rent, (now being done) & affordable housing.


Long term I think we could do worse than to emulate  those Nordic countries which have high taxes, covering education, health etc. etc. as far as possible. They also have the happiest people so it seems a mix of capitalism & socialism works very well.

What would national and ACT campaign on, if they didn't have "others" to demonise, and scare the smug middle classes with?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Aside from the fact I am a dedicated Green voter, a grand coalition of the Nats and Labour would elbow all the minor parties out of contention.

But it won't happen...

[Lilith7]

The hateful term 'feral' is used more & more often to denigrate all poor people. It isn't helpful to label people as being 'other,' but fixing the problem isn't something which can be done overnight.
Its unlikely to be fun & games for those in this situation & the old game of blaming the poor for being poor just doesn't wash anymore. Poverty is created; in NZ its been created by both Labour & National as a means of enriching the few at the expense of many - to then blame those suffering under the system is short-sighted but it helps vent feelings.

There are houses being built (quite a few here, as it happens) but even so, what's taken decades to create is likely to take years & possibly decades to fix. And the situation wasn't helped by the sale of state housing some years ago.

What needs to happen imo is for both main parties to get off their bums, put their pettiness aside & work together for once, making housing a priority here - build more state houses, housing to rent, (now being done) & affordable housing.


Long term I think we could do worse than to emulate  those Nordic countries which have high taxes, covering education, health etc. etc. as far as possible. They also have the happiest people so it seems a mix of capitalism & socialism works very well.

What would national and ACT campaign on, if they didn't have "others" to demonise, and scare the smug middle classes with?

They do seem to rely on that a lot, don't they. That & 'get tough on crime', which they surely must be aware often springs from poverty but are apparently happy to ignore.