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Dai Henwood has cancer
#21
(01-02-2023, 05:01 PM)harm_less Wrote:
(01-02-2023, 04:54 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Another good reason to include dementia in those conditions eligible to request assisted dying.
Very much a hot potato in terms of legislation. The subject is obviously 'not of sound mind' to make the decision themselves and either declares their intention in advance (but how early is an insurance that they're not already in mental decline?) or a watertight method EPA must be implemented that is 100% free of coercion and/or conflict of interest.

We can make Donor decisions on our drivers licences. We can complete Advance Care Directives (Min of Health website), we can write our wills, appoint executors and give EPOA's ,assign guardians for our children, decide inheritances, determine DNR status -  why the hell can we not specify how we want to end our lives?

Because some people have the idea THEY should say how WE should live or die, usually based on their religion...

It is sickeningly selfish of them. Not to mention arrogant, entitled, and authoritarian...
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#22
(01-02-2023, 05:44 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:
(01-02-2023, 05:01 PM)harm_less Wrote: Very much a hot potato in terms of legislation. The subject is obviously 'not of sound mind' to make the decision themselves and either declares their intention in advance (but how early is an insurance that they're not already in mental decline?) or a watertight method EPA must be implemented that is 100% free of coercion and/or conflict of interest.

We can make Donor decisions on our drivers licences. We can complete Advance Care Directives (Min of Health website), we can write our wills, appoint executors and give EPOA's ,assign guardians for our children, decide inheritances, determine DNR status -  why the hell can we not specify how we want to end our lives?

Because some people have the idea THEY should say how WE should live or die, usually based on their religion...

It is sickeningly selfish of them. Not to mention arrogant, entitled, and authoritarian...

Not to mention extremely cruel in some situations. I sometimes wonder about those people of a religious turn who don't want anyone to have the right to end their life if it becomes unbearably painful, how they might feel if they, at the end of their own lives experience that agony they want everyone to suffer & if they have a change of heart or grin & bear it 'because their god wants it.'
in order to be old & wise, you must first be young & stupid. (I'm still working on that.)
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#23
(01-02-2023, 05:44 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:
(01-02-2023, 05:01 PM)harm_less Wrote: Very much a hot potato in terms of legislation. The subject is obviously 'not of sound mind' to make the decision themselves and either declares their intention in advance (but how early is an insurance that they're not already in mental decline?) or a watertight method EPA must be implemented that is 100% free of coercion and/or conflict of interest.

We can make Donor decisions on our drivers licences. We can complete Advance Care Directives (Min of Health website), we can write our wills, appoint executors and give EPOA's ,assign guardians for our children, decide inheritances, determine DNR status -  why the hell can we not specify how we want to end our lives?

Because some people have the idea THEY should say how WE should live or die, usually based on their religion...

It is sickeningly selfish of them. Not to mention arrogant, entitled, and authoritarian...
The caution I see in this proposition is that a person's death can be assigned to someone else who may well stand to gain from the event. My mother died early last year after over 15 years of mental decline. Sure she had a DNR in place (a prerequisite of the resthome) and I held EPOA for both financial and medical matters. I had no knowledge of her will contents until after her death but if that had been the case and I also held her life in my hands by way of an end of life ruling do you not see a potential conflict of interest?
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(01-02-2023, 07:47 PM)harm_less Wrote:
(01-02-2023, 05:44 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: We can make Donor decisions on our drivers licences. We can complete Advance Care Directives (Min of Health website), we can write our wills, appoint executors and give EPOA's ,assign guardians for our children, decide inheritances, determine DNR status -  why the hell can we not specify how we want to end our lives?

Because some people have the idea THEY should say how WE should live or die, usually based on their religion...

It is sickeningly selfish of them. Not to mention arrogant, entitled, and authoritarian...
The caution I see in this proposition is that a person's death can be assigned to someone else who may well stand to gain from the event. My mother died early last year after over 15 years of mental decline. Sure she had a DNR in place (a prerequisite of the resthome) and I held EPOA for both financial and medical matters. I had no knowledge of her will contents until after her death but if that had been the case and I also held her life in my hands by way of an end of life ruling do you not see a potential conflict of interest?
No, I don't. Because part of taking responsibility for our own lives and endings is accepting someone might harm us. We know when we have children, and we give them authority over us, that that could be misused. And it is, often. But as adults we have the right to accept that risk and the consequences, and no one else has the right to block us from taking it. It is like choosing a partner. No one should do that for us, or stop us doing it for ourselves. Our right to choose. Our right to choose the wrong one...

We are not children. We are adults, we should be granted the right to be adults.
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#25
Not as long as the lawyers etc are making money over complicating things past any commonsense viewpoint.
It's not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable. The hundred-times-refuted theory of "free will" owes its persistence to this charm alone; some one is always appearing who feels himself strong enough to refute it - Friedrich Nietzsche
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