Hamilton, 20 Minute City forum ruined by Counterspin

[Olive]

A wrecked public meeting in Hamilton.   This kind of conspiracist disruption will result in increasing numbers of closed-door meetings and decreasing opportunities for public input.   All part of Counterspin's avowed intention to disrupt democracy.

https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news...piracy-mob


And just in case you don't know,  a 20 minute city or neighbourhood is one where the inhabitants' needs can all be met within a 20 minute walk or cycle from their home.   Many small towns already fit this description and just need some cycle lanes for safety.

[Lilith7]

A pity such a good idea was unable to be discussed due to the loony tunes brigade. Where the hell do they get this utter nonsense from!

"Once the invited councillors had left, the floor was ceded to Counterspin’s Samantha Edwards​, who, speaking off the cuff as her slide show failed, only briefly mentioned 20-minute cities before seguing to “seismic generating ships” off the coast, “weaponry in street lights” and claims the government was attempting to legalise sex with children."

[Olive]

A pity such a good idea was unable to be discussed due to the loony tunes brigade. Where the hell do they get this utter nonsense from!

"Once the invited councillors had left, the floor was ceded to Counterspin’s Samantha Edwards, who, speaking off the cuff as her slide show failed, only briefly mentioned 20-minute cities before seguing to “seismic generating ships” off the coast, “weaponry in street lights” and claims the government was attempting to legalise sex with children."

It's deeply unsettling isn't it.   And it's only going to get more intense as we move toward the election.

[Praktica]

And, of course, the National party was there...in the person of Ryan Hamilton, their Hamilton East candidate, encouraging the fuckwits.

[R2x1]

A city without cycle lanes is like a goldfish without a parachute.  How else do they expect to keep speeds way down, and costs way up without actually thinking?

[Lilith7]

Perhaps if people want to take part in any political meeting, psychiatrists should be in attendance to do mental health checks for the safety of all - incase of injury or meltdowns.

Honestly, you just have to wonder at the gullibility of some folk - & hope that there comes a time when they can look back at their present day selves in shock & amazement.

[R2x1]

Perhaps if people want to take part in any political meeting, microbiologists should be in attendance to do mental health checks for the safety of all - in case of any tendency to breed - now or ever.

Honestly, you just have to wonder at the gullibility, malice, plus pig-headed stupidity of some folk - & hope that tomorrow morning - early - their successors can look back at their ancestors in shock &  disgust.

FTFY.

[Olive]

A city without cycle lanes is like a goldfish without a parachute.  How else do they expect to keep speeds way down, and costs way up without actually thinking?

I don't understand this comment.  Can you explain what you mean ?

[R2x1]

A goldfish with a parachute doesn't move any great quantity of anything, it doesn't go very fast either. It does however, tend to ensure that those sharing its thoroughfare travel at its own speeds. If you wish to restore the ability of service vehicles to deliver the goods, (even to cyclists suppliers) extra money has to be wasted to compensate for the Lycra road blocks.
(Inspiration drawn from the old aphorism that a person without god is like a goldfish without a bicycle)
If you consider that I may not be over-enthused at the prospect of swarms of cyclists polluting the environment, then as far as the more visible lycra loonies are concerned, too right. The actual humans who use cycles are not quite so bad. The belligerent adherents to the absolutely overriding rights of hunchbacks on safety cycles are not so easily tolerated.
Cycle lanes are paid for by the many for the benefit of the few to the detriment of travel ability all but the few.
Am i biased? Yup. Why? Using both eyes and ears, reading press releases of the Lycranauts, and experience. The pedagogoggleists derive opposite conclusions from their version of the same equipment viewing the same evidence. C'est la vie.

[Lilith7]

A goldfish with a parachute doesn't move any great quantity of anything, it doesn't go very fast either. It does however, tend to ensure that those sharing its thoroughfare travel at its own speeds.  If you wish to restore the ability of service vehicles to deliver the goods, (even to cyclists suppliers) extra money has to be wasted to compensate for the Lycra road blocks.
(Inspiration drawn from the old aphorism that a person without god is like a goldfish without a bicycle)
If you consider that I may not be over-enthused at the prospect of swarms of cyclists polluting the environment, then as far as the more visible lycra loonies are concerned, too right. The actual humans who use cycles are not quite so bad. The belligerent adherents to the absolutely overriding rights of hunchbacks on safety cycles are not so easily tolerated.
Cycle lanes are paid for by the many for the benefit of the few to the detriment of  travel ability all but the few.
Am i biased? Yup. Why? Using both eyes and ears, reading press releases of the Lycranauts, and experience. The pedagogoggleists derive opposite conclusions from their version of the same equipment viewing the same evidence. C'est la vie.

I'm somewhat torn - I have a bike, have done for years & use as my transport locally. Never worn lycra & have no intention of ever doing so but I'd rather see more people using bikes than more cars on the road because it would lessen pollution to some extent.

And I recall images from China in the later 20th & early 21st century where their roads were full of people biking with not a breath of pollution to be seen.
 These days of course, its a very different story in China when many more people have cars.

The world could do worse than to learn from that.

[C_T_Russell]

A wrecked public meeting in Hamilton.   This kind of conspiracist disruption will result in increasing numbers of closed-door meetings and decreasing opportunities for public input.   All part of Counterspin's avowed intention to disrupt democracy.

https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news...piracy-mob


And just in case you don't know,  a 20 minute city or neighbourhood is one where the inhabitants' needs can all be met within a 20 minute walk or cycle from their home.   Many small towns already fit this description and just need some cycle lanes for safety.

Hes got it wrong, its a 15 minute city.
Its not a conspiracy, its happening now in the UK already.
Just google ULEZ, they are charging people to drive cars in their own bloody neighbourhood.
The UN agendas dont want us driving cars and its evident in NZ with whats going on here.
Putting bus lanes everywhere, removing car parks, making it as difficult to drive around as possible as a way to force people on to public transport.
Democracy NZ have said its already being done in Hamilton as we speak.
Soon owning a car will only be something the wealthy can afford.
They want to keep tightening the grips more and more and soon it will be too late.
Time to wake up!

[Lilith7]

A wrecked public meeting in Hamilton.   This kind of conspiracist disruption will result in increasing numbers of closed-door meetings and decreasing opportunities for public input.   All part of Counterspin's avowed intention to disrupt democracy.

https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news...piracy-mob


And just in case you don't know,  a 20 minute city or neighbourhood is one where the inhabitants' needs can all be met within a 20 minute walk or cycle from their home.   Many small towns already fit this description and just need some cycle lanes for safety.

Hes got it wrong, its a 15 minute city.
Its not a conspiracy, its happening now in the UK already.
Just google ULEZ, they are charging people to drive cars in their own bloody neighbourhood.
The UN agendas dont want us driving cars and its evident in NZ with whats going on here.
Putting bus lanes everywhere, removing car parks, making it as difficult to drive around as possible as a way to force people on to public transport.
Democracy NZ have said its already being done in Hamilton as we speak.
Soon owning a car will only be something the wealthy can afford.
They want to keep tightening the grips more and more and soon it will be too late.
Time to wake up!

Oh dear!

The 'UN agenda' is nonsense. Its another conspiracy theory & utter bollocks.

We humans need to stop polluting our planet, because there isn't another one for our children, grandchildren & great grandchildren.


https://www.splcenter.org/20140331/agend...acy-theory

"Virtually none of the outlandish claims about Agenda 21 are true. Yet, as with all such baseless propaganda, the hysteria over it has had the effect of poisoning any kind of rational discussion of the very real challenges we face — challenges that are essential to tackle head-on in an increasingly complex and stressed world.

At the conclusion of the June 3-14, 1992, United Nations Conference on Environment & Development in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, President George H.W. Bush and the leaders of 177 other nations signed a document known as Agenda 21. At the time, it was seen as a perfectly sensible planning paper, a nonbinding statement of intent aimed at dealing with sustainability on an increasingly crowded planet.

But in the 22 years since that day, at the hands of groups like the John Birch Society, Agenda 21 has been transformed in much of the American public mind into a secret plot to impose a totalitarian world government, a nefarious effort to crush freedom in the name of environmentalism. And it isn’t only extremists pushing this conspiracy theory — in January 2012, the Republican National Committee bought into the propaganda, denouncing Agenda 21 in a resolution as a “destructive and insidious scheme” that is meant to impose a “socialist/communist redistribution of wealth.”




These people are very obviously away with the fairies/loony tunes/not operating with a full deck/ several sandwiches short of a picnic/ utter nutters.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think some cars come with a built in entitlement app, that may take effort to remove before starting the motor.

[Zurdo]

MY car - the wife has her own, and the kids each have their own too.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Here's another example of pig headed stupidity...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1323380...il-charges

Should be in court right next to that stupid woman who broke the fossil fuels conference.

[king1]

Here's another example of pig headed stupidity...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1323380...il-charges

Should be in court right next to that stupid woman who broke the fossil fuels conference.

yep... he should be sticking to his 700 odd litre daily limit...  now he'll just get a big bill
In fact they probably could just disconnect his supply completely for wasteful usage or some such - that sort of water use is probably consented

[Lilith7]

Here's another example of pig headed stupidity...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1323380...il-charges

Should be in court right next to that stupid woman who broke the fossil fuels conference.

Unbelievably stupid.

[C_T_Russell]

Hes got it wrong, its a 15 minute city.
Its not a conspiracy, its happening now in the UK already.
Just google ULEZ, they are charging people to drive cars in their own bloody neighbourhood.
The UN agendas dont want us driving cars and its evident in NZ with whats going on here.
Putting bus lanes everywhere, removing car parks, making it as difficult to drive around as possible as a way to force people on to public transport.
Democracy NZ have said its already being done in Hamilton as we speak.
Soon owning a car will only be something the wealthy can afford.
They want to keep tightening the grips more and more and soon it will be too late.
Time to wake up!

Oh dear!

The 'UN agenda' is nonsense. Its another conspiracy theory & utter bollocks.

We humans need to stop polluting our planet, because there isn't another one for our children, grandchildren & great grandchildren.


https://www.splcenter.org/20140331/agend...acy-theory

"Virtually none of the outlandish claims about Agenda 21 are true. Yet, as with all such baseless propaganda, the hysteria over it has had the effect of poisoning any kind of rational discussion of the very real challenges we face — challenges that are essential to tackle head-on in an increasingly complex and stressed world.

At the conclusion of the June 3-14, 1992, United Nations Conference on Environment & Development in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, President George H.W. Bush and the leaders of 177 other nations signed a document known as Agenda 21. At the time, it was seen as a perfectly sensible planning paper, a nonbinding statement of intent aimed at dealing with sustainability on an increasingly crowded planet.

But in the 22 years since that day, at the hands of groups like the John Birch Society, Agenda 21 has been transformed in much of the American public mind into a secret plot to impose a totalitarian world government, a nefarious effort to crush freedom in the name of environmentalism. And it isn’t only extremists pushing this conspiracy theory — in January 2012, the Republican National Committee bought into the propaganda, denouncing Agenda 21 in a resolution as a “destructive and insidious scheme” that is meant to impose a “socialist/communist redistribution of wealth.”




These people are very obviously away with the fairies/loony tunes/not operating with a full deck/ several sandwiches short of a picnic/ utter nutters.

Its agenda 2030, not 21.
You should dig deep into who is behind the WEF, Klaus Schwab's family has a history of links to the Nazi Party.

[king1]

Oh dear!

The 'UN agenda' is nonsense. Its another conspiracy theory & utter bollocks.

We humans need to stop polluting our planet, because there isn't another one for our children, grandchildren & great grandchildren.


https://www.splcenter.org/20140331/agend...acy-theory

"Virtually none of the outlandish claims about Agenda 21 are true. Yet, as with all such baseless propaganda, the hysteria over it has had the effect of poisoning any kind of rational discussion of the very real challenges we face — challenges that are essential to tackle head-on in an increasingly complex and stressed world.

At the conclusion of the June 3-14, 1992, United Nations Conference on Environment & Development in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, President George H.W. Bush and the leaders of 177 other nations signed a document known as Agenda 21. At the time, it was seen as a perfectly sensible planning paper, a nonbinding statement of intent aimed at dealing with sustainability on an increasingly crowded planet.

But in the 22 years since that day, at the hands of groups like the John Birch Society, Agenda 21 has been transformed in much of the American public mind into a secret plot to impose a totalitarian world government, a nefarious effort to crush freedom in the name of environmentalism. And it isn’t only extremists pushing this conspiracy theory — in January 2012, the Republican National Committee bought into the propaganda, denouncing Agenda 21 in a resolution as a “destructive and insidious scheme” that is meant to impose a “socialist/communist redistribution of wealth.”




These people are very obviously away with the fairies/loony tunes/not operating with a full deck/ several sandwiches short of a picnic/ utter nutters.

Its agenda 2030, not 21.

so this 
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factc...SKBN2AN2CQ

and this 
https://fullfact.org/online/agenda-2030/