Those high crime rates we supposedly have

[Lilith7]

The deeply cynical use of crime by the right when there's an election not too far away, which somehow some inevitably fall for...

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/07/30/me...erleading/




"All eyes were fixed on Auckland last week when a gunman entered a construction site and opened fire.
This incident comes after a year dominated by negative headlines about crimes committed by young people: ram-raids, smash-and-grabs and burglaries, just to name a few.

A Herald poll earlier this year found 67 per cent of respondents felt more unsafe now than they did five years ago.

Psychotherapist and co-host of The Nutters Club on Newstalk ZB, Kyle MacDonald, tellsThe Front Page podcast that once anxiety has taken hold, it can be very sticky.

“Once we’ve had these impressions of very frightening events, even if we’re not directly impacted by them, those fearful thoughts can stick really hard, because that’s actually part of what’s kept the human species wandering around the planet as long as we have.”
MacDonald explains our rapid response to fear is a survival mechanism that’s an entirely normal part of what makes us human.
Our levels of anxiety are, however, affected by the narratives we see coming from politicians and the media.

“There’s nothing more topical than crime in an election year, and fear is one of the most powerful ways to get people’s attention,” says MacDonald.

They are cheap, easy to produce and present as live breaking news and the kids committing the crimes boasting on social media for notoriety guarantees a self feeding loop which terrifies the middle classes and sets the get tough on crime lynch mob off.

The perception is that crime is out of control, despite the evidence showing a spike, but in context, isn’t the hysteria clickbait the mainstream media are selling it as.

The number of serious repeat ram raiders is about 100, 80% of whom are already known to welfare agencies who are the kids from John Key’s draconian welfare reforms that saw kids in cars, state house tenants thrown onto the street for wrongful meth testing and whose parents were incarcerated in our private prison industry.

How will more draconian policies fix the problems the last set of draconian policies created?
This fear mongering clickbait is generating real world ramifications with ACT and National promising ankle bracelets on children and a return to counter productive Military Boot Camps.

Youth crime has spiked and it needs actual solutions, what we are getting is just more raw meat fear mongering for ratings.

The anxiety a recession creates cancels out compassion, empathy and rational debate. As the desperation drives violent crime via a Crime Porn News filter to insecure viewers, watch how the crime debate disintegrates into lynch mob level bumper sticker slogans."

[Wainuiguy]

You may want to check actual Police stats which shows crime is up in all major areas across NZ.

[Wainuiguy]

https://www.police.govt.nz/crime-snapshot

Here you go - just change the area to all. The red up arrow indicates a rise.

[king1]

I wonder how that compares to population growth over the same time?

[Wainuiguy]

I wonder how that compares to population growth over the same time?

It is only over a year.  So I would suggest that saying the increase is due to population increase is diversion.

A quick Google reveals population increase for the same period was approx 1.6%.

[king1]

I wonder how that compares to population growth over the same time?

It is only over a year.  So I would suggest that saying the increase is due to population increase is diversion

I'd call it very relevant, but each to their own... 

Another relevant factor might the return of a large number of 501 deportees over the last few years and the influence they might be having on some types of crime...

Not denying the crime is happening or even up, based on the stats you linked, but it is certainly helpful if one looks to understand how and why...

[Wainuiguy]

It is only over a year.  So I would suggest that saying the increase is due to population increase is diversion

I'd call it very relevant, but each to their own... 

Another relevant factor might the return of a large number of 501 deportees over the last few years and the influence they might be having on some types of crime...

Not denying the crime is happening or even up, based on the stats you linked, but it is certainly helpful if one looks to understand how and why...

How - more cromes are being committed 

Why - more scum released from NZ prisons and this government being soft on crime.

[king1]

I'd call it very relevant, but each to their own... 

Another relevant factor might the return of a large number of 501 deportees over the last few years and the influence they might be having on some types of crime...

Not denying the crime is happening or even up, based on the stats you linked, but it is certainly helpful if one looks to understand how and why...

How - more cromes are being committed 

Why - more scum released from NZ prisons and this government being soft on crime.

ah I see, for a moment I thought we were going to have an intelligent discussion about the subject, but alas just more political mudslinging...  

Here's another take on crime stats, a little bit more in-depth and analytical than the raw data you linked...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/c...HBSNSE6YM/

[Lilith7]

It is only over a year.  So I would suggest that saying the increase is due to population increase is diversion

I'd call it very relevant, but each to their own... 

Another relevant factor might the return of a large number of 501 deportees over the last few years and the influence they might be having on some types of crime...

Not denying the crime is happening or even up, based on the stats you linked, but it is certainly helpful if one looks to understand how and why...

That's an excellent point; it would be interesting to see how many returnees have been involved in crime since their arrival. Sending people here who've had very little or no experience living here & few if any friends or family was always going to cause problems for this country. 
And was somewhat ironic in view of Australian history.

But the the old 'lock 'em up & throw away the key'  brigade either don't understand that it doesn't work or know - & just don't care.

[Wainuiguy]

I'd call it very relevant, but each to their own... 

Another relevant factor might the return of a large number of 501 deportees over the last few years and the influence they might be having on some types of crime...

Not denying the crime is happening or even up, based on the stats you linked, but it is certainly helpful if one looks to understand how and why...

That's an excellent point; it would be interesting to see how many returnees have been involved in crime since their arrival. Sending people here who've had very little or no experience living here & few if any friends or family was always going to cause problems for this country. 
And was somewhat ironic in view of Australian history.

But the the old 'lock 'em up & throw away the key'  brigade either don't understand that it doesn't work or know - & just don't care.

Nope try harder - 700 501s have been returned to date so I doubt they would cause such a significant increase in crime nationwide in the last year.

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How - more cromes are being committed 

Why - more scum released from NZ prisons and this government being soft on crime.

ah I see, for a moment I thought we were going to have an intelligent discussion about the subject, but alas just more political mudslinging...  

Here's another take on crime stats, a little bit more in-depth and analytical than the raw data you linked...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/c...HBSNSE6YM/

You want to post something we can read?

[king1]

That's an excellent point; it would be interesting to see how many returnees have been involved in crime since their arrival. Sending people here who've had very little or no experience living here & few if any friends or family was always going to cause problems for this country. 
And was somewhat ironic in view of Australian history.

But the the old 'lock 'em up & throw away the key'  brigade either don't understand that it doesn't work or know - & just don't care.

Nope try harder - 700 501s have been returned to date so I doubt they would cause such a significant increase in crime nationwide in the last year.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programme...since-2015

[king1]

ah I see, for a moment I thought we were going to have an intelligent discussion about the subject, but alas just more political mudslinging...  

Here's another take on crime stats, a little bit more in-depth and analytical than the raw data you linked...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/c...HBSNSE6YM/

You want to post something we can read?

is it paywalled?

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then add the filter list from here Bypass Paywalls filter

OR you could support local journalism...

[Wainuiguy]

You want to post something we can read?

is it paywalled?

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then add the filter list from here Bypass Paywalls filter

OR you could support local journalism....

I would support local journalism ..if there were any journalists left.  Alas......

[Zurdo]

Some ''ex rugby star'' has been convicted of supplying guns to the Comancheros, a gang brought over here by the 501's. They are in contact with the Mexican and Columbian drug cartels, and have ramped up the drug trade in this country. Apart from the TicTok ram raids, most crime leads back to drugs.

[Lilith7]

Some ''ex rugby star'' has been convicted of supplying guns to the Comancheros, a gang brought over here by the 501's.  They are in contact with the Mexican and Columbian drug cartels, and have ramped up the drug trade in this country. Apart from the TicTok ram raids, most crime leads back to drugs.

Yeah, thanks Australia. Not what we needed here.

The Australian govt must have been well aware what the result would be, surely. To dump them here with little or no support available was always going to be a bad idea for them & us.
No doubt some simplistic idiot will advocate sending them all to a boot camp.

[Zurdo]

Put a Comanchero into boot camp, and it will become a recruitment drive.

[Lilith7]

Put a Comanchero into boot camp, and it will become a recruitment drive.

Too true.