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What are National & ACT doing in the shadows?
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This could potentially be  harmful - better to do any discussion on this very openly surely, so you really have to wonder just what they might have in store.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/...010101_1_1


"National and Act’s policies on drinking water would reduce protections and ignore the recommendations of the inquiry into the Havelock North campylobacter outbreak.


But, overlooked, public health concerns such as drinking water can become dramatic in the worst of ways, as the campylobacter outbreak in Havelock North in 2016 demonstrated. And for this reason, public health policies must be brought into the light for debate.



The new announcements are the most significant update to parties’ policy positions across the issues we surveyed. The policies would reduce existing protections for drinking water and go against the recommendations of the inquiry into the Havelock North outbreak.

Quote:The theme of National’s agricultural proposals is to scale back existing regulations brought in to provide protection for waterways
The inquiry into the outbreak stressed that “protection of the source of drinking water provides the first, and most significant, barrier against drinking water contamination and illness”.





Te Mana o te Wai is a policy framework requiring councils to prioritise the health of the environment and provision of drinking water in their decision making, ahead of commercial uses.
This framework acknowledges two important points for drinking water. First, waterways that have been too degraded cannot provide good quality source water. Second, because drinking water is a fundamental need for all communities, its provision must be prioritised over commercial uses. 


It prioritises public interests in the management of water over private interests. It does provide for commercial uses, acknowledging that land use will have some impact on the environment.
But under the framework, this impact cannot be at the expense of drinking water or push waterways beyond a certain level of environmental health (as defined by the bottom lines described in the policy).



 
Act announced on Sunday that it would remove the framework, with party leader David Seymour stating, "we do not believe that Te Mana o te Wai improves the environment”.
Though the document does not say National would remove the framework, the theme of National’s agricultural proposals is to scale back existing regulations brought in to provide protection for waterways.


On drinking water specifically, National plans to “amend the proposed National Environmental Standard for drinking water to avoid excessive compliance requirements for small providers of 30 connections or fewer”.




This is troubling. Strengthening the National Environmental Standard was a recommendation of the Havelock North inquiry. When highlighting a number of ways in which the standards should be strengthened, its report noted, “expert panel and submitters were adamant that the size of a drinking water supply should not determine the level of first barrier protection. The inquiry firmly accepts this view. All consumers should have the benefits and protections of the [National Environmental Standards] Regulations”.






We need to have open, informed debate on what those campaigning to be in government say they will do to protect people’s drinking water – in the light, not the shadows." 

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Shady stuff, but VERY beneficial to all those who gave so handsomely. that has to be totally good for the country and the planet. Saves on communication costs too, because the beneficiaries list only has 21 names on it.

Not only that, the trickle-down theory ensures that the peasants will get finest organic vegetable peelings. Bravo!
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(12-09-2023, 12:08 PM)R2x1 Wrote: Shady stuff, but VERY beneficial to all those who gave so handsomely. that has to be totally good for the country and the planet.  Saves on communication costs too, because the beneficiaries list only has 21 names on it.

Not only that, the trickle-down theory ensures that the peasants will get finest organic vegetable peelings. Bravo!



"Not only that, the trickle-down theory ensures that the peasants will get finest organic vegetable peelings. Bravo!"


Well yes - but only after they've been passed through many individual systems in order to remove various... impurities. Which won't hurt the peasants at all.
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#4
Oh well, better lay in more wine then. Alcohol being an excellent disinfectant.
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Beer is cheaper than bottled water, and contains no additives.
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#6
A good many years ago, I used to make fruit wine. Mostly Elderberry but sometimes also did grape & once had a go at mead which wasn't bad.
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I have just bought some elderberry cuttings. I haven't seen them growing in Auckland, but I think they're worth a try...

(12-09-2023, 05:37 PM)Zurdo Wrote: Beer is cheaper than bottled water, and contains no additives.

It makes me burp though...  Big Grin
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Draught then, finer bubbles, not that carbonated crap.
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Quote:Lilith7 :  "The inquiry into the outbreak stressed that “protection of the source of drinking water provides the first, and most significant, barrier against drinking water contamination and illness” ".
My word yes, can't have our drinking water suffering from illness.  Wink
We must order the Ministry of Bugs to spray wood preservatives into the clouds to get our source treatment under way. Nobody ever gets ill with Tanalised water  Dead maybe, but germ-free.

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(12-09-2023, 07:21 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I have just bought some elderberry cuttings. I haven't seen them growing in Auckland, but I think they're worth a try...

(12-09-2023, 05:37 PM)Zurdo Wrote: Beer is cheaper than bottled water, and contains no additives.

It makes me burp though...  Big Grin

Good luck with the elderberries - but be careful as they'll take over if they get the chance.

(13-09-2023, 12:21 PM)R2x1 Wrote:
Quote:Lilith7 :  "The inquiry into the outbreak stressed that “protection of the source of drinking water provides the first, and most significant, barrier against drinking water contamination and illness” ".
My word yes, can't have our drinking water suffering from illness.  Wink
We must order the Ministry of Bugs to spray wood preservatives into the clouds to get our source treatment under way. Nobody ever gets ill with Tanalised water  Dead maybe, but germ-free.

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