Luxon condemns USA Christian group

[Lilith7]

This is a group which he once visited & now says he rejects some of their views,



https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3009842...ce-visited


"J H Ranch California’s current eleven point “Statement of Faith” says it stems from - the Old and New Testament are decreed the “supreme and final authority in faith and life.”

It reads: “We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are sinful perversions of God’s gift of sex.”

[b]In the 2017 promotional material, Luxon is quoted as asking, “how do we impart our values to our children? JH Aotearoa really helps you to do that.”[/b]

But Luxon says he does not share the current values of the JH Ranch parent group, “I strongly believe that everyone, no matter who they are or how they identify, should be respected and free to express themselves and love who they love.”

Luxon and Fleming have both publicly spoken about their parenting philosophy, which is also the philosophy taught at JH Aotearoa and promoted by the founder of the original JH Ranch in America, Bruce Johnstone.







In 2004, during the debate about the civil union bill going through parliament, Fleming put out a statement saying: "We must be clear that the sole purpose of this Bill is to provide for same-sex marriage in all but name. Government propaganda suggesting civil unions are an alternative for defacto couples is just a farce.”




[b][b]When asked about the old comments in April, Fleming said they “weren’t helpful” and “I wouldn’t make them again”.
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I wish Tova O Brien had asked him whether he believes in demons...

[zqwerty]

This man Luxon is the last person we need in charge of present-day NZ.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

But he isn't the only one in the line up that has that association. There are a couple more we know of, how many that we don't know about?

Secret handshakes, anyone?

[Lilith7]

But he isn't the only one in the line up that has that association. There are a couple more we know of, how many that we don't know about?

Secret handshakes, anyone?

It would be a good idea if all politicians were obliged to disclose their belief systems & any associations such as Masons, before running for parliament.

And while I'm at it; they should be forbidden from accepting donations. Our taxes could cover a modest amount for each party & they can grasp the opportunity to show voters how good rthey are at budgeting.

[Venetian1]

This man Luxon is the last person we need in charge of present-day NZ.

The trouble is he won’t be in charge - he will be walked all over by Seymour and Peters 

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I agree. And I think he knows he is wallking into a hornets nest if he goes there. I almost feel sorry for him.

I do think though, if he wins and makes the wrong choice, we will see another election in short order.

[Lilith7]

I agree. And I think he knows he is wallking into a hornets nest if he goes there. I almost feel sorry for him.

I do think though, if he wins and makes the wrong choice, we will see another election in short order.

I don't - he wanted to be a politician, wanted to be leader.

[harm_less]

I agree. And I think he knows he is wallking into a hornets nest if he goes there. I almost feel sorry for him.

I do think though, if he wins and makes the wrong choice, we will see another election in short order.

I don't - he wanted to be a politician, wanted to be leader.

Wanting to be and having the skills to carry it out are two completely different things. He is inept in politics and the coalition that it looks like he will be forced into will make dog tucker of him. Another election inside 2024 is highly likely IMO. And in the meantime the chaotic leadership will be very damaging for NZ.

[Lilith7]

I don't - he wanted to be a politician, wanted to be leader.

Wanting to be and having the skills to carry it out are two completely different things. He is inept in politics and the coalition that it looks like he will be forced into will make dog tucker of him. Another election inside 2024 is highly likely IMO. And in the meantime the chaotic leadership will be very damaging for NZ.

Yep, Winnie's likely to chew him up for breakfast -  & then look around for seconds..

[Venetian1]

Wanting to be and having the skills to carry it out are two completely different things. He is inept in politics and the coalition that it looks like he will be forced into will make dog tucker of him. Another election inside 2024 is highly likely IMO. And in the meantime the chaotic leadership will be very damaging for NZ.

Yep, Winnie's likely to chew him up for breakfast -  & then look around for seconds..

 Almost tempting to vote for him to see how interesting he can make things for everyone else 

[Oh_hunnihunni]

He made things 'interesting' for Jacinda.

But she was a very different kind of politician.

[Lilith7]

Yep, Winnie's likely to chew him up for breakfast -  & then look around for seconds..

 Almost tempting to vote for him to see how interesting he can make things for everyone else 

I have to admit that I did rather enjoy that 'caretaker govt' - that lot in the Beehive couldn't do a damned thing! 

But its not worth letting Winnie getting the nosebag on...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

You'd think that the way we just carry on between governments would underscore just how utterly unimportant most politicians are. But somehow that never registers with them...

[harm_less]

You'd think that the way we just carry on between governments would underscore just how utterly unimportant most politicians are. But somehow that never registers with them...

I remember a few elections back when Winston held the whole caboodle to ransom for weeks while he tried to cobble together a government that included him. The country operated just fine during that period, so what is it that we actually need them for again?

[Lilith7]

You'd think that the way we just carry on between governments would underscore just how utterly unimportant most politicians are. But somehow that never registers with them...

I remember a few elections back when Winston held the whole caboodle to ransom for weeks while he tried to cobble together a government that included him. The country operated just fine during that period, so what is it that we actually need them for again?

That's a really good question...

[R2x1]

". . .  The country operated just fine during that period, so what is it that we actually need them for again?"

Perhaps an alternate target when they run out of clay pigeons and the SPCA won't allow them to use real statue painting pigeons?

[R2x1]

Maybe it is true that politicians are largely irrelevant, but where does that leave the voters on the scale of relevance. I know our submissions are just chaff for the most part, but if nobody at all voted, would the politicians give a toss? (Given how they treat referendums.)

[C_T_Russell]

Just because Luxon visited them doesn't indicate he agreed on their "views"
Religious or not, you would have to agree with them with the exception of their view on homosexuals or adultery, etc.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Nope. We don't have to...

[Lilith7]

Just because Luxon visited them doesn't indicate he agreed on their "views"
Religious or not, you would have to agree with them with the exception of their view on homosexuals or adultery, etc.

Oh no we damn well don't! 
And why anyone would believe such utter bollocks is a mystery - lack of education perhaps.