Axing sexuality, relationship education guidelines a huge mistake

[Lilith7]

It does depend on what is altered or left out but when you look at what's happened in America this is quite worrying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibFzELEU...MM&index=9


"The lead writer of the sexuality and relationship education guidelines is alarmed the new government has agreed to remove them.
The deal comes under National's coalition deal with New Zealand First, which campaigned on removing "gender ideology" from the curriculum.
Education professor Katie Fitzpatrick said removing the sexuality and relationship guidelines for schools was a backwards step.
"I think that would be a huge mistake. It would be really against what young people want. We've had three petitions to Parliament in the last seven years from young people advocating for better relationships and sexuality education in schools."

Fitzpatrick led the team which wrote the guidelines that were introduced in 2020 by NZ First MP and associate education minister at the time Tracey Martin.
There are two documents, one for Year 1 to 8 and another for Year 9 to 13.
She said they reflected huge progress in education around consent, inclusion and shifting societal norms.

There was a strong focus on teaching young people to think critically about social media, pornography and sexual content online, she said.
"There's a lot of information and messages about relationships, sexuality, body, gender and I think schools can really help young people engage with that."
Fitzpatrick said it was unclear from the coalition documents what the guidelines would be replaced with.

But she believed removing them would send a strong signal to schools to stop teaching about sexuality and relationships.
"We need to make sure that we're not going back to some sort of regressive form of schooling which looks to repress knowledge about health and sexuality for young people."


And it isn't just in the USA. Right winger people seem deeply disturbed by the idea of people being better informed about human sexuality.


Russia bans 'gay propaganda' - possibly as a result of Putin being tucked up with the Russian orthodox church.


https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-g...R20120229/


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-...-killings/


The UK, apparently those opposed are not above using false information.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/10/24/s...explainer/

[C_T_Russell]

Time to get over with it, its what NZ voted for.
Couldn't be happier, we don't need this bullshit in school, we never had it before and had no issues.
It's the parents decision to teach their kids what goes on in the bedroom.
If your too lazy to do that then dont have kids!

[zqwerty]

Yep we're going back to the 1950's, LOL or cry.

Ignoring the fact that unbridled capitalism is what got us into the climate change mess in the first place and population increase exacerbated the problem.

The right just wants to get back to counting the money they have extorted and enjoying the fruits of the workers labours.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Time to get over with it, its what NZ voted for.
Couldn't be happier, we don't need this bullshit in school, we never had it before and had no issues.
It's the parents decision to teach their kids what goes on in the bedroom.
If your too lazy to do that then dont have kids!

You're... And sexuality shouldn't be left to parents. After all, a fair few of them have absolutely no idea...

And actually we didn't vote for it. Some people voted for it, others voted for tax cuts...

We have a three party coalition. If Labour had chosen that route they'd be government. We have a very unstable situation, it pays to be wary.

[Lilith7]

Yep we're going back to the 1950's, LOL or cry.

Ignoring the fact that unbridled capitalism is what got us into the climate change mess in the first place and population increase exacerbated the problem.

The right just wants to get back to counting the money they have extorted and enjoying the fruits of the workers labours.

Well - its what they do best. Blame everyone except businesses for the mess & continue to encourage & enable the polluters whose only interest is profit & help them worse conditions for workers. Miserable sods.

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Time to get over with it, its what NZ voted for.
Couldn't be happier, we don't need this bullshit in school, we never had it before and had no issues.
It's the parents decision to teach their kids what goes on in the bedroom.
If your too lazy to do that then dont have kids!

'Get over it?' So you'd be happy with kids remaining ignorant then, as was once the situation.

Idiotic; far better that kids have the facts (if only the basics) so they're prepared & can comprehend that not everyone is likely to be exactly the same. No one wants a returm to the days when anyone could lose their job just for being gay, surely.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Why is it educating our young people about this stuff, so they can make up their own minds about it, is so worrying for a lot of people? Knowing there are other genders does not mean they become compulsory! It simply explains what is otherwise mysterious and inexplicable...

It takes us back to the days when the few wanted to control the sexuality and therefore the fertility of the many, for their own reasons. Usually centred around control and their own insecurities.

[Lilith7]

Why is it educating our young people about this stuff, so they can make up their own minds about it, is so worrying for a lot of people? Knowing there are other genders does not mean they become compulsory! It simply explains what is otherwise mysterious and inexplicable...

It takes us back to the days when the few wanted to control the sexuality and therefore the fertility of the many, for their own reasons. Usually centred around control and their own insecurities.

Sadly there seems no shortage of people keen to do exactly that, for various reasons but often due to their religious beliefs which they're keen to impose on everyone as a means of control.
Interesting that its almost always women they want to control, though they clearly wouldn't mind controlling everyone.


Better to believe whatever you please but not harm anyone, not impose your beliefs on anyone else at all.

[zqwerty]

"Yours is not to reason why, yours is just to do and die."

[Wainuiguy]

Yep we're going back to the 1950's, LOL or cry.

Ignoring the fact that unbridled capitalism is what got us into the climate change mess in the first place and population increase exacerbated the problem.

The right just wants to get back to counting the money they have extorted and enjoying the fruits of the workers labours.

Interesting.  I was schooled in the 80s and this gender BS wasn't taught then.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Yes. It's called progress.

[Praktica]

Yep we're going back to the 1950's, LOL or cry.

Ignoring the fact that unbridled capitalism is what got us into the climate change mess in the first place and population increase exacerbated the problem.

The right just wants to get back to counting the money they have extorted and enjoying the fruits of the workers labours.

Interesting.  I was schooled in the 80s

That explains it, then...you just don't have enough life experience to understand reality.

[Kenj]

Interesting.  I was schooled in the 80s

That explains it, then...you just don't have enough life experience to understand reality.

I was schooled in the 40's - 50's and we had lessons on sex, behind the bike shed.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I am a flower child of the free love generation. We didden need no lessons...

[Lilith7]

Yes. It's called progress.

It is indeed - & thank the powers of the universe for it, too, or we might still be living in caves.

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I am a flower child of the free love generation. We didden need no lessons...

Me too - still can't see anything wrong with love & peace. either.

Although information then wasn't so easy to come by, nor contraceptives but that certainly changed for the better rapidly. The 'sex education' when I was in high school consisted of one very short lecture for every girl in the school (the boys had theirs separately) which was almost entirely useless.

Its far easier for kids now to get information, it just needs care in where that comes from & how accurate & well presented it is.

[Zurdo]

Yeah, we didn't learn important life skills. Same with driving - I got a motorcycle and taught myself how to ride, got myself a car, and taught myself to drive. I haven't been entirely safe on the road, certainly a danger to myself, but hardly ever to other people. But I realise that is not the way to do it, and teaching young people how to drive - before that actually get in a car, and all the way to getting a license is a good thing. Sure, we got away without learning how to drive, or about sex, but I think guidance from an early age is obvious.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

And independent unbiased guidance from trained educators, who can answer questions put in a safe non judgemental environment. The home is not that kind of environment, the intimate family relationships mean it cannot be unbiased, and parents are very rarely trained educators.

Most of us think we are, but the reality is we bring our own inhibitions, fears, attitudes and conditioning to that space and we can't help but leak it all over our children.

If we want our children to grow up free from our conditioned responses - the ones built on our parents example, and our not always positive experiences we need to give them the freedom to be separate from the family environment, and learn from actual educators.

[Lilith7]

And independent unbiased guidance from trained educators, who can answer questions put in a safe non judgemental environment. The home is not that kind of environment, the intimate family relationships mean it cannot be unbiased, and parents are very rarely trained educators.

Most of us think we are, but the reality is we bring our own inhibitions, fears, attitudes and conditioning to that space and we can't help but leak it all over our children.

If we want our children to grow up free from our conditioned responses - the ones built on our parents example, and our not always positive experiences we need to give them the freedom to be separate from the family environment, and learn from actual educators.

Exactly - its really just sensible to do it properly & as accurately as possible where kids aren't afraid to ask questions.

[Kenj]

Yeah, we didn't learn important life skills. Same with driving - I got a motorcycle and taught myself how to ride, got myself a car, and taught myself to drive. I haven't been entirely safe on the road, certainly a danger to myself, but hardly ever to other people. But I realise that is not the way to do it, and teaching young people how to drive - before that actually get in a car, and all the way to getting a license is a good thing. Sure, we got away without learning how to drive, or about sex, but I think guidance from an early age is obvious.

As well as learning about sex behind the bike sheds at school, owning a car was the next stage in obtaining a masters degree! The ability to drive was necessary for the extended education,

[Oh_hunnihunni]

A masters degree in what though?

[Praktica]

A masters degree in what though?

Bullshitting...