You can never have enough...

[Lilith7]

No, that isn't what was said at all.

We were saying that those who don't need it really shouldn't claim super - which is quite a different thing. And we all pay for super; it comes from our taxes as you know.

There are any number of beneficiaries who contribute in various ways, including caring for handicapped relatives - which might save us all some taxes, mightn't it.

From where I'm sitting, those who "don't need" it are likely to have contributed the most towards it and should have that reward back if they wish. And those who are taking it will often be supporting other people and/or the voluntary sector in ways that other people do not necessarily see.

My snipe at beneficiaries is not about those who have fallen on hard times outside their control and/or are supporting family, but those who simply ride the system their whole lives and never give anything back.

Super is paid for with taxes; everyone pays tax. Even despised beneficiaries. Contributing to our community isn't invariably measured in terms of money.

And as far as I know, the main group of people who actively do their best to avoid paying their fair share of tax don't appear to be beneficiaries.