Oh_hunnihunni, you remember you said you needed to see a bud to possibly identify an old ancient rose type, well here are 2 pictures, sorry they are both a bit blurred, I only have an old iPhone and I am unable to find the original pictures of the actual flower that I posted on this thread ages ago:
It's not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable. The hundred-times-refuted theory of "free will" owes its persistence to this charm alone; some one is always appearing who feels himself strong enough to refute it - Friedrich Nietzsche