(26-01-2023, 10:18 AM)harm_less Wrote:

(26-01-2023, 09:05 AM)SueDonim Wrote: No one deserves or should get the threats that she had, but she only knows about most of it because she was told. The benefit of the openness of the internet is also it's greatest cost but people who are busy with real life don't do social media or the other garbage. Her decision to leave would have been far more complex than fear of internet extremists.

Except I have heard multiple reports that Jacinda was abused/threatened by a member of the public in a Tirua restaurant during her Christmes break which Neve was also witness to. Online abuse is one thing but threats IRL are a whole different issue and that incident could well have been a 'last straw' experience for her.

(26-01-2023, 09:05 AM)SueDonim Wrote:

(26-01-2023, 08:36 AM)zqwerty Wrote: "Why do you think he's an ignorant fool?"

Because he's against Jacinda, with out her and with national in power, for instance, we would have done what happened in America with a huge death toll as people were sacrificed for profit and the attempted smooth running of the economy.

An absolute disgrace that she has felt so disturbed by the right wing vile criticism that she left a position she was born for.

I have always said that the Labour Government (including its leader - but she was just that - leader) did a great job at the beginning of Covid. Yes, it saved very many lives. But then it all fell apart. Too slow getting vaccines and RAT tests going, the MIQ debacles, etc. Then it was all thrown away when the traffic light system ceased just as it was most needed. So yes, we were given some time and it could have been a hell of a lot worse, but it could also have been a lot better.

But that's just covid. The bit that lefties won't acknowledge is how much mess we are now in from all the government interference in other aspects of our lives. So much that has been done was unnecessary and/or pointless and has increased the cost of living both financially and practically. Many people just cannot afford it.

No one deserves or should get the threats that she had, but she only knows about most of it because she was told. The benefit of the openness of the internet is also it's greatest cost but people who are busy with real life don't do social media or the other garbage. Her decision to leave would have been far more complex than fear of internet extremists.

(26-01-2023, 10:33 AM)Oldfellah Wrote:

(26-01-2023, 10:18 AM)harm_less Wrote: Except I have heard multiple reports that Jacinda was abused/threatened by a member of the public in a Tirua restaurant during her Christmes break which Neve was also witness to. Online abuse is one thing but threats IRL are a whole different issue and that incident could well have been a 'last straw' experience for her.

Having heard of the event, you may have been perplexed as to why it did not make it to the news or to the papers. It stands to reason that there were likely multiple witnesses to it, yet none of them apparently went to the media with the story, or perhaps the media decided not to pursue it for some unknown reasons.

(26-01-2023, 05:18 PM)harm_less Wrote:

(26-01-2023, 10:33 AM)Oldfellah Wrote: Having heard of the event, you may have been perplexed as to why it did not make it to the news or to the papers. It stands to reason that there were likely multiple witnesses to it, yet none of them apparently went to the media with the story, or perhaps the media decided not to pursue it for some unknown reasons.

Mainstream media platforms such as NZ Herald, Stuff, Newshub are far more inclined to add to the negative pile-on against any aspects of Labour policy and politicians. You need only scroll down the comments on such reporting to see how much RWNJ activity lurks within their readship. Anti Labour presents a far better click bait opportunity to them and if they report subjects sympathetic to Labour they risk alienating that customer base and their large business advertisers so no surprise there. As usual, follow the money to get the real answer.

(27-01-2023, 02:22 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:

(26-01-2023, 05:18 PM)harm_less Wrote: Mainstream media platforms such as NZ Herald, Stuff, Newshub are far more inclined to add to the negative pile-on against any aspects of Labour policy and politicians. You need only scroll down the comments on such reporting to see how much RWNJ activity lurks within their readship. Anti Labour presents a far better click bait opportunity to them and if they report subjects sympathetic to Labour they risk alienating that customer base and their large business advertisers so no surprise there. As usual, follow the money to get the real answer.

Doesn't seem altogether fair & unbiased, does it - half of a story or a slanted story rather than the full facts.

(27-01-2023, 09:45 PM)harm_less Wrote:

(27-01-2023, 02:22 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Doesn't seem altogether fair & unbiased, does it - half of a story or a slanted story rather than the full facts.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/01/27/my-hate-is-pure-and-not-misogynistic-how-the-right-wing-trolls-are-defending-their-toxicity/

(12-02-2023, 02:03 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: So over the delusional anti farming brigade.
Are people happy paying more for their food?
The only solution to reduce "farts" is to reduce food production. That's a fact.
Our climate policy is in breach of the oasis agreement that we signed up to, this is another fact.
It clearly states that any measures taken can't impact food production. Taxing farmers for their animals farts does exactly that. Planting pines on farmland also reduces food production.
Living costs are already high. Blows me away how disconnected people are on how their food comes to the table.
Nothing more than political reasons. The biggest polluters are doing nothing in this area, so why should we?
Our emissions are a drop in the bucket.
That's why I'm going to vote for Democracy NZ

(12-02-2023, 05:37 PM)Zurdo Wrote: This was a good read.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/300778264/new-zealand-farming-has-the-change-reflex--so-why-arent-we-using-it-when-its-needed-the-mos

I've always said farmers need to think outside the box, instead they all jumped on the dairy bandwagon. So many options out there, they just need to do it.

After the maize harvest last year, I saw some strange things growing amongst the newly sown grass, looks like it was plantain, it's obvious now.

(12-02-2023, 02:13 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Oh gee - I dunno...are people 'happy' not having a planet which is livable any more.

(12-02-2023, 04:05 PM)SueDonim Wrote: Saw an article the other day about a plantain that can be grown to feed cows which produces less gas. Just like everyone/everything else, R&D is being done on behalf of farmers.

I agree with most of what C_T Russell says, but disagree with his choice of party to support. As well as being fringe and unscientific in its beliefs, we also need a government that knows how to govern and understands that our lives are far more complex than just a few policies that attract those with an axe to grind.

(17-02-2023, 11:23 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(12-02-2023, 02:13 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:   Oh gee - I dunno...are people 'happy' not having a planet which is livable any more.

Well animals are nature, the earth looks after animals, whether they are farmed or not. The carbon methane cycle has been on this planet since forever.
Lets address more important issues such as fertilizer, and nitrates etc rather than the actual animals itself.
There is a reason the Paris agreement prohibits policies that affect food production.
Dont let the likes of TESCO hold us to ransom over stupid policies, they will still buy our meat, our grass fed beef and lamb is probably the most environmental and nutritious beef on the planet.

(17-02-2023, 01:04 PM)harm_less Wrote:

(17-02-2023, 11:23 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Well animals are nature, the earth looks after animals, whether they are farmed or not. The carbon methane cycle has been on this planet since forever.
Lets address more important issues such as fertilizer, and nitrates etc rather than the actual animals itself.
There is a reason the Paris agreement prohibits policies that affect food production.
Dont let the likes of TESCO hold us to ransom over stupid policies, they will still buy our meat, our grass fed beef and lamb is probably the most environmental and nutritious beef on the planet.

NZ may have production methods that are less environmentally damaging than other farming countries but we are as remote from most of our potential markets than any country can be so we will always be 'behind the eight ball' in terms of food miles and therefore our advantage will be severely diluted due to that. As the effects of a warming climate make themselves more obvious so will the attitudes of many of our customers harden in respect to their choice of food production and transportation.

(17-02-2023, 01:37 PM)king1 Wrote:

(17-02-2023, 01:04 PM)harm_less Wrote: NZ may have production methods that are less environmentally damaging than other farming countries but we are as remote from most of our potential markets than any country can be so we will always be 'behind the eight ball' in terms of food miles and therefore our advantage will be severely diluted due to that. As the effects of a warming climate make themselves more obvious so will the attitudes of many of our customers harden in respect to their choice of food production and transportation.

I'm wondering if globalisation is just about out the window by now - as events over the last few years have shown there are a lot of risks to individual economies, maybe too many to warrant the perceived benefits to come from it.