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RE: Kingitanga hui - Wainuiguy - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 10:22 AM)harm_less Wrote:When it comes to the previous government I try to put them out of my mind as much as possible.(22-01-2024, 09:08 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: So you are talking about coup? The forced removal of a legitimate government by civil unrest?You obviously view our times through a much darker lens than most. As for the impact this may have? Well last poll out had a big jump for both National and Act. Labour about the same but a big drop for the Greans, NZ first and TPM. The Greens recent debacle wasn't included in those numbers either. But as already stated Nationall won't support the bill beyond first reading and select committee. It will die a death. Why are so many against there being a real discussion around the Treaty? RE: Kingitanga hui - Lilith7 - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 10:22 AM)harm_less Wrote:(22-01-2024, 09:08 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: So you are talking about coup? The forced removal of a legitimate government by civil unrest?You obviously view our times through a much darker lens than most. I'm not at all sure this govt would be able to cope with another natural disaster; they're surely not easy for any govt & this being a coalition wouldn't make things any easier. It seems unlikely the ACT party would be in favour of helping to any great extent & might drag the chain if they think they can. RE: Kingitanga hui - Wainuiguy - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 10:35 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:(22-01-2024, 10:22 AM)harm_less Wrote: You obviously view our times through a much darker lens than most. And you have based this assessment on......? RE: Kingitanga hui - harm_less - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 10:53 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Their demonstration of self interest and prioritising economic returns by ACT is very evident. Also the 'cooker' attitude of Winston will hinder any humanitarian aid provided, particularly when another pandemic rears its head.(22-01-2024, 10:35 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: I'm not at all sure this govt would be able to cope with another natural disaster; they're surely not easy for any govt & this being a coalition wouldn't make things any easier. It seems unlikely the ACT party would be in favour of helping to any great extent & might drag the chain if they think they can. RE: Kingitanga hui - Wainuiguy - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 11:05 AM)harm_less Wrote:(22-01-2024, 10:53 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: And you have based this assessment on......?Their demonstration of self interest and prioritising economic returns by ACT is very evident. Also the 'cooker' attitude of Winston will hinder any humanitarian aid provided, particularly when another pandemic rears its head. Highly unlikely that there will be another pandemic in the next decade like Covid. Likely longer. And hard to judge Act on something they haven't done yet. Haven't even said they would do. Just did a quick search around Hawkes Bay disaster: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485222/act-proposes-special-economic-zone-to-speed-up-east-coast-flood-recovery Seems Act wants to push for quicker recovery in the area. RE: Kingitanga hui - Oh_hunnihunni - 22-01-2024 There is another pandemic wave underway right now. And the government is looking at removing free test kits for the most vulnerable. What does that tell us? RE: Kingitanga hui - Wainuiguy - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 11:22 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: There is another pandemic wave underway right now. And the government is looking at removing free test kits for the most vulnerable. Covid is now endemic. The vast majority of people have had it. If you haven't then you will get it eventually. The last government wasted $250million for rats that expired and needed to be disposed of. RE: Kingitanga hui - harm_less - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 11:08 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Just did a quick search around Hawkes Bay disaster:"These include making it easier to access finance with a wider exemption from the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act and passing special legislation to remove RMA barriers to rebuilding and repairing. Act also wants it easier for migrants to get visas if they are seeking work in the zone, a Materials Equivalence Register, a regional exemption from Fair Pay Agreements, streamlined foreign investment and introducing private insurance as an alternative to council consenting processes." That piece reads like them using the situation as a vehicle to push through their policies using the event to their own advantage, or maybe I just have a suspicious attitude regarding 'gift horses'. RE: Kingitanga hui - Wainuiguy - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 11:42 AM)harm_less Wrote:Could be - but they do want to make things better, quicker. Because the faster an area recovers from a disaster the better it is for everyone.(22-01-2024, 11:08 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Just did a quick search around Hawkes Bay disaster:"These include making it easier to access finance with a wider exemption from the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act and passing special legislation to remove RMA barriers to rebuilding and repairing. RE: Kingitanga hui - Oh_hunnihunni - 22-01-2024 Yes. Unfortunately recovery takes investment, expertise, labour, and a great deal of time... RE: Kingitanga hui - Praktica - 22-01-2024 We dodged a bullet with covid - but the next virus which takes off could have a far worse fatality rate. Have we learned the lessons covid was teaching us? I don't think so. RE: Kingitanga hui - Lilith7 - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 10:53 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:(22-01-2024, 10:35 AM)Lilith7 Wrote: I'm not at all sure this govt would be able to cope with another natural disaster; they're surely not easy for any govt & this being a coalition wouldn't make things any easier. It seems unlikely the ACT party would be in favour of helping to any great extent & might drag the chain if they think they can. Perhaps I've somehow missed Neo Liberals suddenly developing understanding, empathy & compassion & gaily tossing their beloved 'personal responsibility' out the window....?? These are people keen on the 'every man for himself & devil take the hindmost' mindset, not generally noted for being swift to help others, & in addition this is a coalition govt which may well mean that decisions could take time, when what's needed in a natural disaster is often a speedy response. But in the event, I'd be extremely pleased to be proven wrong. (22-01-2024, 11:22 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: There is another pandemic wave underway right now. And the government is looking at removing free test kits for the most vulnerable. I may be wrong - but I'm fairly sure that no one can answer that without swearing profusely.... RE: Kingitanga hui - harm_less - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 11:08 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote:We as a species are still dabbling with infectious diseases in laboratories controlled by corporations and governments with questionable intents, huge numbers of us live in crowded cities that are prime for the spread of pathogens, we are again travelling the globe rapidly in airliners than enables pathogenic organisms to spread very effectively, many nations contain populations that live in close contact with livestock and/or harvest wild animals to supplement their impoverished diets, many developed countries consume highly processed foods including from risky production chains that include intensive livestock containment systems with human populations with extremely compromised levels of health as a result, climate change is unbalancing the existing climatic zones that have previosly held disease vectors such as mosquito populations in check and scientific control measures for diseases are increasingly being questioned if not flatly denied by poorly informed individuals and even politicians on conspiracy theory or political bases.(22-01-2024, 11:05 AM)harm_less Wrote: Their demonstration of self interest and prioritising economic returns by ACT is very evident. Also the 'cooker' attitude of Winston will hinder any humanitarian aid provided, particularly when another pandemic rears its head. But the likelihood of another pandemic in the near future is highly unlikely? Hope you're right but I have grave doubts about that. We don't seemed to have learned anything from the bullet we dodged with COVID. RE: Kingitanga hui - Lilith7 - 22-01-2024 (22-01-2024, 05:44 PM)harm_less Wrote:(22-01-2024, 11:08 AM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Highly unlikely that there will be another pandemic in the next decade like Covid. Likely longer.We as a species are still dabbling with infectious diseases in laboratories controlled by corporations and governments with questionable intents, huge numbers of us live in crowded cities that are prime for the spread of pathogens, we are again travelling the globe rapidly in airliners than enables pathogenic organisms to spread very effectively, many nations contain populations that live in close contact with livestock and/or harvest wild animals to supplement their impoverished diets, many developed countries consume highly processed foods including from risky production chains that include intensive livestock containment systems with human populations with extremely compromised levels of health as a result, climate change is unbalancing the existing climatic zones that have previosly held disease vectors such as mosquito populations in check and scientific control measures for diseases are increasingly being questioned if not flatly denied by poorly informed individuals and even politicians on conspiracy theory or political bases. I hope you're wrong but it seems our species is slow at learning lessons, whether that's about pandemics or cleaning up the mess we've made of our planet. |