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RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 23-02-2024 These are the people who despite not needing it, will sign up for super, and not opt out of the winter energy payment, because it is their right and they've paid for it in their taxes... Beer money for their overseas holidays. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Lilith7 - 23-02-2024 (23-02-2024, 05:15 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: These are the people who despite not needing it, will sign up for super, and not opt out of the winter energy payment, because it is their right and they've paid for it in their taxes... I have a friend who did that; I was quite shocked until she told me why - they're still supporting two of their children. And one week before Xnas, her postion was 'disestablished;... RE: Treaty Principals Bill - C_T_Russell - 24-02-2024 (23-02-2024, 01:25 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Some Maori, through iwi or maraes have access to dental or gp clinics, funded and staffed by those providers. I was a patient at one for a time, so they are not purely for Maori. They have been established because access to dental and health care has often been a struggle for Maori, because of poverty, distance, lack of education, or other social impediments.Don't need to give up any essential services, but I already said how it could be funded by a sugar tax. And cut the wasteful spending, labour has employed so many bureaucrats its not funny, there is a lot of work that needs to be done. Getting rid of race based policies is a good start too and treat all of us as humans. The scrapping of the maori health authority will save a ton of money, it's just sad that so much has been wasted. Do you also know that the treaty principals bill is really only about questioning the principals that Jeffery Palmer introduced in 1989. Who are the ones who rewrote the treaty? It appears to have been labour. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 24-02-2024 A sugar tax isn't going to happen. It is too complicated a task to draft legislation to apply it, like taking gst off certain items. The only race based policies we have, like age based and gender based ones, are there to balance inequities that exisit. What you are asking for is to maintain those inequities which actually benefit others at the expense of minorities. If we treat everyone as humans, with no differentiation then children, old people, disabled people, non male genders, and ethnicities will also lose those protections and policies that make their lives safer and easier. Instead , why can't we be grateful for the blessings we enjoy as individuals, and stop scrutinising the blessings others get for also being individuals, and understand that we are not all the same and our life challenges are different? RE: Treaty Principals Bill - C_T_Russell - 24-02-2024 (24-02-2024, 09:50 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: A sugar tax isn't going to happen. It is too complicated a task to draft legislation to apply it, like taking gst off certain items.Its a piece of cake since it's already done to alcohol and tobacco. Taking GST off only some grocery items with a loose definition on what is considered fruit and vegetables is much more tricky. Would have been easier to remove GST off all food. As far as policies around health, age and disability. Well that's a no brainer isn't it? Again based on need. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Lilith7 - 24-02-2024 (24-02-2024, 09:50 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: A sugar tax isn't going to happen. It is too complicated a task to draft legislation to apply it, like taking gst off certain items. Why? Because dogs are right, & humans really are nuts... I think its just an unfortunate part of human nature to question what looks as though someone else may be getting more, or better than, what we might be getting. Probably better education may eventually help with that, pointing out the reasons for something someone else gets which we do not; it seems slightly immature really to moan because someone e;se in need may get slightly more, or slightly different. https://www.marinhhs.org/sites/default/files/boards/general/equality_v._equity_04_05_2021.pdf RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 24-02-2024 (24-02-2024, 09:58 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(24-02-2024, 09:50 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: A sugar tax isn't going to happen. It is too complicated a task to draft legislation to apply it, like taking gst off certain items.Its a piece of cake since it's already done to alcohol and tobacco. Based on need? Maori show need in every stat we collect. That's a no brainer. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - C_T_Russell - 06-03-2024 (24-02-2024, 10:23 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:(24-02-2024, 09:58 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: Its a piece of cake since it's already done to alcohol and tobacco. The same needs can apply to anyone regardless of race. All Seymour is doing is wanting to remove the treaty principles that Jeffery Palmer introduced in 1989. it was labour that rewrote the treaty. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Lilith7 - 06-03-2024 (06-03-2024, 12:08 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(24-02-2024, 10:23 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Based on need? Oh for pitys sake - open eyes & do a bit of looking;Maori outcomes are considerably worse than those for Pakeha, which is what was to be addressed but thanks to this govt will now not be. What Seymour wants is to prevent a better outcome for Maori; the man wants to let children go hungry rather than allow free school lunches, & no one who can want such a thing can be said to have a shred of empathy & clearly is not a man of principle. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 06-03-2024 But he'll trade on his Maoriness, no matter how distant. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - C_T_Russell - 06-03-2024 (06-03-2024, 06:27 PM)Lilith7 Wrote:(06-03-2024, 12:08 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: The same needs can apply to anyone regardless of race. So you are saying that it's OK to rewrite the treaty if it suits a particular race, or in these days ancestry? RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Lilith7 - 07-03-2024 (06-03-2024, 09:46 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(06-03-2024, 06:27 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: Oh for pitys sake - open eyes & do a bit of looking;Maori outcomes are considerably worse than those for Pakeha, which is what was to be addressed but thanks to this govt will now not be. Can you explain how you got that mistaken impression from my post? I'd be fascinated as to how you managed it... https://www.marinhhs.org/sites/default/files/boards/general/equality_v._equity_04_05_2021.pdf RE: Treaty Principals Bill - C_T_Russell - 10-03-2024 (07-03-2024, 10:46 AM)Lilith7 Wrote:Labour rewrote the treaty by introducing the principles that's all I'm saying, I don't care what the reasons are.(06-03-2024, 09:46 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote: So you are saying that it's OK to rewrite the treaty if it suits a particular race, or in these days ancestry? RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 10-03-2024 Don't care? Or don't want to know? RE: Treaty Principals Bill - C_T_Russell - 10-03-2024 (10-03-2024, 11:15 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Don't care? Or don't want to know? Of course I know, but I don't care because it's not a good enough excuse. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Lilith7 - 10-03-2024 How exactly did Labour 'rewrite the treaty?' RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Praktica - 10-03-2024 (10-03-2024, 02:20 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: How exactly did Labour 'rewrite the treaty?' You won't get a coherent answer... RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 10-03-2024 Someone is unaware all treaties have principles. That is the point. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Wainuiguy - 10-03-2024 (09-02-2024, 08:00 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Always nice to see honesty from unapologetic sceptics, lol... Well to be fair the Treaty has been redefined by politicians , beauracrats and Iwi many times over the last 170plus years. RE: Treaty Principals Bill - Oh_hunnihunni - 10-03-2024 The Chris Bishop interview on Q& A this morning was illuminating. Very defensive he was. Aggressively so... |