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RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - heisenberg - 28-09-2025
(28-09-2025, 06:40 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: And now we all need to fix the mess.
i don’t need to fix anything and nothing our government does will make one knob of goatshits difference
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Oh_hunnihunni - 28-09-2025
Yes, we each choose how much we are willing to contribute to the common good of humanity. The older I get the more value I see in increasing that contribution, but I understand that some of us see more value in looking after themselves, and leaving the rest to get on with it. Or not.
Definitely a choice we each get to make.
As for making a difference, well, even the tiniest choice can have enormous consequences. So I think you are wrong on the goat shit thing.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Lilith7 - 28-09-2025
The narrow bridge, documentary.
https://documentaryaustralia.com.au/project/the-narrow-bridge/
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - zqwerty - 28-09-2025
It's an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth in both protagonists bible, so to speak, neither Israelis nor Palestinians will ever turn the other cheek and will therefor never reconcile.
They are both Old Testament followers, the New Testament with the teachings of Jesus does not hold much credence in their outlook.
The problem can only be solved one way when one side is totally annihilated by the other as is underway now.
These are the first groups of people who migrated out of Africa in successive waves and Egypt and the Middle East is where these groups remained fighting to the death over possession of these lands as is their wont.
Afghanistan is another place with no solution. Anyone who comes from the older home countries and who is up on the zeitgeist of the home countries knows that it has been accepted for years that the Middle East is a lost cause and a can of worms and there is no solution. Just leave them to it like Heisenberg says.
The British were going to put the Jews in the middle of Australia just after the end of the 2nd World War but in the end Palestine was chosen. My Dad fought in Palestine and parts of the Middle East then fought up through Italy and was at Monte Cassino, he showed me where he was based when we went on a holiday to Italy in the late 60's. He caught dysentery there and never made it to Berlin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Monte_Cassino
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Lilith7 - 28-09-2025
I think that all three of the Abrahamic religions have done a great deal of harm, particulary with regard to their idiotic ideas on controlling women. It has to be said that they've also done some good as well, but I think the damage may outweigh that.
The narrow bridge movement is at least trying; made up of people who've lost family, especially children, in the conflict & who understand how painful & futile the cotninuing conflict is. They're often scorned by both sides because they want peace & an end to the killing,but having understood the harm that comes from continuing as they are, they want peace above all else.
Kiwi Palestinians upset at govt idiocy.
They're not the only ones.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/574352/new-zealand-palestinian-angry-upset-at-government-s-decision-on-statehood
The Spinoff
"NZ punching above its weight in cowardice'
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-09-2025/new-zealand-is-punching-above-its-weight-in-cowardice
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - harm_less - 29-09-2025
This about sums the situation up
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RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Olive - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 11:37 AM)harm_less Wrote: This about sums the situation up
Indeed. It just needs the spectre of Trump hovering above.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - dken31 - 29-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 11:56 AM)Olive Wrote:(29-09-2025, 11:37 AM)harm_less Wrote: This about sums the situation up
Indeed. It just needs the spectre of Trump hovering above.
Trump is well and truly under the control of Netanyahu, and not the other way around. Trump has zero control or influence over what is happening in Gaza (other than that his complicity likely encourages other world leaders to toe the line also), and is instead merely doing and saying what his handlers tell him to.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Oh_hunnihunni - 29-09-2025
There is a huge lobby group who fund US politics, staunch Netanyahu supporters. The US will continue to dance to that tune so long as the money flows. Trouble is with Israel attacking its neighbours , many of those are US friends. That is a very narrow line to walk.
Dken is right, Trump is a puppet. So long as he can be managed they will keep him in place. The moment his weaknesses or frailties consume him JD is ready to step up, strings already firmly attached.
And that is exactly why international pressure to recognise Palestine is more than just diplomacy. It boosts the separation of the US from the rest of the world, a sparation already well underway with the new trade arrangements, new defence links, and increasingly strong policy differentiation. Something we should be exploring now that the US/NZ 'friendship' is so obviously deteriorating.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - C_T_Russell - 30-09-2025
(28-09-2025, 02:49 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: I think that all three of the Abrahamic religions have done a great deal of harm, particulary with regard to their idiotic ideas on controlling women. It has to be said that they've also done some good as well, but I think the damage may outweigh that.I agree, all 3 are all bad in their own ways and none are innocent.
The narrow bridge movement is at least trying; made up of people who've lost family, especially children, in the conflict & who understand how painful & futile the cotninuing conflict is. They're often scorned by both sides because they want peace & an end to the killing,but having understood the harm that comes from continuing as they are, they want peace above all else.
Kiwi Palestinians upset at govt idiocy.
They're not the only ones.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/574352/new-zealand-palestinian-angry-upset-at-government-s-decision-on-statehood
The Spinoff
"NZ punching above its weight in cowardice'
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-09-2025/new-zealand-is-punching-above-its-weight-in-cowardice
Religion is largely the problem here with Islam taking over Israel, causing both sides to scrap over their holy land, Islam is kind of the new kid on the block really, only started around the 6th or 7th century with Christianity predating it by centuries and Judaism even longer.
Its just a means to control the population, and its largely worked.
One theme thats common is that if their god backs their violence, then its OK.
But back to the topic, our govt does intend to recognize Palestine regardless, just not yet, only until Hamas are removed from power will NZ consider recognizing them as a state, also there are technical reasons why it does not qualify as a state if you actually read the press release.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - harm_less - 30-09-2025
(30-09-2025, 12:14 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: ......The problem with that strategy is that Hamas are in effect the de facto voice of the oppressed in Palestine and that voice will not be silenced by the Israeli barrage, quite the opposite. You cannot bomb the truth away (or your way to peace). Every bomb dropped on Gaza increases the hatred of their Israeli oppressors and so the situation perpetuates.
But back to the topic, our govt does intend to recognize Palestine regardless, just not yet, only until Hamas are removed from power will NZ consider recognizing them as a state, also there are technical reasons why it does not qualify as a state if you actually read the press release.
So far as whatever "press release" you are referring to, does it go on to tell the vast majority of those nations who have recognised Palestine statehood that they are wrong? Good luck with that approach so far as our international relations are concerned.
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RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Lilith7 - 30-09-2025
(29-09-2025, 05:36 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: There is a huge lobby group who fund US politics, staunch Netanyahu supporters. The US will continue to dance to that tune so long as the money flows. Trouble is with Israel attacking its neighbours , many of those are US friends. That is a very narrow line to walk.
Dken is right, Trump is a puppet. So long as he can be managed they will keep him in place. The moment his weaknesses or frailties consume him JD is ready to step up, strings already firmly attached.
And that is exactly why international pressure to recognise Palestine is more than just diplomacy. It boosts the separation of the US from the rest of the world, a sparation already well underway with the new trade arrangements, new defence links, and increasingly strong policy differentiation. Something we should be exploring now that the US/NZ 'friendship' is so obviously deteriorating.
Indeed - & there's something about JD which I really do not like, not sure what but wouldn't be inclined to trust him as far as I could throw him.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - heisenberg - 30-09-2025
(30-09-2025, 09:06 AM)harm_less Wrote:(30-09-2025, 12:14 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: ......The problem with that strategy is that Hamas are in effect the de facto voice of the oppressed in Palestine and that voice will not be silenced by the Israeli barrage, quite the opposite. You cannot bomb the truth away (or your way to peace). Every bomb dropped on Gaza increases the hatred of their Israeli oppressors and so the situation perpetuates.
But back to the topic, our govt does intend to recognize Palestine regardless, just not yet, only until Hamas are removed from power will NZ consider recognizing them as a state, also there are technical reasons why it does not qualify as a state if you actually read the press release.
So far as whatever "press release" you are referring to, does it go on to tell the vast majority of those nations who have recognised Palestine statehood that they are wrong? Good luck with that approach so far as our international relations are concerned.
Recognising the fun loving hamas killers of innocents
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - harm_less - 01-10-2025
(30-09-2025, 04:38 PM)heisenberg Wrote:(30-09-2025, 09:06 AM)harm_less Wrote: The problem with that strategy is that Hamas are in effect the de facto voice of the oppressed in Palestine and that voice will not be silenced by the Israeli barrage, quite the opposite. You cannot bomb the truth away (or your way to peace). Every bomb dropped on Gaza increases the hatred of their Israeli oppressors and so the situation perpetuates.
So far as whatever "press release" you are referring to, does it go on to tell the vast majority of those nations who have recognised Palestine statehood that they are wrong? Good luck with that approach so far as our international relations are concerned.
Recognising the fun loving hamas killers of innocents
It would appear you've commented on the image rather than the points I have raised. [Removed: Rule 2A]
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - C_T_Russell - 05-10-2025
NZ will be vindicated soon, it appears hamas is potentially warming up to Trumps peace plan.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-trump-netanyahu.html
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - harm_less - 05-10-2025
(05-10-2025, 09:39 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: NZ will be vindicated soon, it appears hamas is potentially warming up to Trumps peace plan.I wouldn't bet on it CT. Israel are still bombing the snot out of the Palestinians in contravention to the terms of Trump's plan. Netanyahu doesn't want peace, he want's control of Palestine's real estate, without the Palestinians there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-trump-netanyahu.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/4/israel-pounds-gaza-killing-61-despite-trumps-call-for-it-to-halt-bombing
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - Lilith7 - 05-10-2025
(05-10-2025, 02:25 PM)harm_less Wrote:(05-10-2025, 09:39 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: NZ will be vindicated soon, it appears hamas is potentially warming up to Trumps peace plan.I wouldn't bet on it CT. Israel are still bombing the snot out of the Palestinians in contravention to the terms of Trump's plan. Netanyahu doesn't want peace, he want's control of Palestine's real estate, without the Palestinians there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-trump-netanyahu.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/4/israel-pounds-gaza-killing-61-despite-trumps-call-for-it-to-halt-bombing
Good grief - the ceasefire you have when you're not having a cease fire; shame on the Israeli govt.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - C_T_Russell - 09-10-2025
Its Israel, its their land and they are going to eliminate hamas so they can live in peace.
I dont care for their religious beliefs, but growing up with a Christian background, i do know at least a bit on their history.
Its an ancient family feud that has been happening for many years.
There is nothing anyone can do on the outside to sort their shit out.
Im sick of the bad guys playing like the victim.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - harm_less - 09-10-2025
(09-10-2025, 07:49 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: [snip]
Im sick of the bad guys playing like the victim.
Couldn't agree more. Netanyahu portraying Israel as the victim when the October 7th attack was a predictable response to Palestinians being treated abusively for decades, until they finally retaliated, and then murdering what is approaching 70,000 people in a genocidal onslaught.
Winston Peters bleating because some loose cannon in the group protesting NZ's limp refusal to recognise Palestine's statehood breaks his house window. What did he expect would be the likely response to our government basically ignoring Israel's genocide?
Trump staging an assassination attempt on himself to milk the sympathy vote from his brainwashed followers.
Claiming to be the underdog is becoming a standard MO for so many of the bully boys dominating world events of late, and the sheep that jump at the whiff of a story that aligns with their distorted views only increases the range of broadcast of such disinformation. Amplifying clickbait for the gullible.
RE: NZ will not recognise Palestinian statehood - zqwerty - 09-10-2025
Israel has been stealing Palestinian land for years, invading their farms and farmland, destroying fig trees which have been in Palestinian care for years and years, I have seen videos of Israelis stoning Palestinian schoolchildren on their way to school and many more infringements of Palestinians rights.