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Died "with" Covid.... - C_T_Russell - 01-04-2022
How much more misleading can it get than that?
Did anyone hear on the TV the other night how they were trying to explain the "jump" in deaths where we had 35 deaths reported?
Then they went on to say how some were found to have covid19 during the post mortem.
As we have already seen, if you are murdered, but have covid, it goes down as a covid death, same with car accident, heart attack, cancer, etc, etc.
Not only is it misleading but its corrupt politics, and I believe this is laid down by the WHO guidelines, so not blaming Jacinda on this, as they are simply following orders, but she should still know better.
Obviously the agenda is to make this virus look more dangerous than it really is to justify the amount of draconian measures taken.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - king1 - 01-04-2022
if they wanted to "make this virus look more dangerous than it really is", they could just make up random numbers like China does.
You're reading way too much into the few extra deaths....
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oh_hunnihunni - 01-04-2022
We follow UN guidelines on covid reporting. Most nations do not which means the real figures are probably a great deal worse than reported stats.
(01-04-2022, 10:53 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: How much more misleading can it get than that?Actual figures take a while to ascertain because post mortem test results take time.
Did anyone hear on the TV the other night how they were trying to explain the "jump" in deaths where we had 35 deaths reported?
Then they went on to say how some were found to have covid19 during the post mortem.
As we have already seen, if you are murdered, but have covid, it goes down as a covid death, same with car accident, heart attack, cancer, etc, etc.
Not only is it misleading but its corrupt politics, and I believe this is laid down by the WHO guidelines, so not blaming Jacinda on this, as they are simply following orders, but she should still know better.
Obviously the agenda is to make this virus look more dangerous than it really is to justify the amount of draconian measures taken.
But hey, we shouldn't let common sense get in the way of a good beat up eh?
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Magoo - 01-04-2022
its a good time to expire without the judgements.
alcoholism, drug addiction, syphilis, suicide, genital warts, lung cancer.
as long as youve got a touch of covid you get to go to your grave unbesmirched.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oh_hunnihunni - 01-04-2022
Now there's a consequence I hadn't considered!
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oldfellah - 01-04-2022
There should be a weekly death toll of COVID victims NOT if someone died of other reasons and a postmortem found evidence of covid.
Also with the covid deaths I would like to see the numbers who were vaxxed or not vaxxed, I think we deserve to know.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - king1 - 01-04-2022
I think there are advantages to sticking to the UN way of reporting deaths, consistency in reporting methods allows much better comparisons between data sets, with different countries etc
and yes Oldfellah, i would be interested in the vaxxed/unvaxxed deaths too, but I suspect that will never happen because regardless of which way it leans, it would probably create animosities in certain population groups that will be unhealthy for society going forward...
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Olive - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 01:22 PM)king1 Wrote: I think there are advantages to sticking to the UN way of reporting deaths, consistency in reporting methods allows much better comparisons between data sets, with different countries etcI agree. And I think there are privacy constraints on the reporting of details of deaths.
and yes Oldfellah, i would be interested in the vaxxed/unvaxxed deaths too, but I suspect that will never happen because regardless of which way it leans, it would probably create animosities in certain population groups that will be unhealthy for society going forward...
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - king1 - 01-04-2022
there is info here about other countries
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
but it is scarce info and chile doesn't seem to have fared well for either vaxxed or unvaxxed, could be indicative of whose vaccine they used, some being better than others.
US and Switzerland seem to be fairly clear that the majority are unvaxxed
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - king1 - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 01:34 PM)Olive Wrote:Is that a nice way of saying the family of unvaxxed deceased don't want to admit it?(01-04-2022, 01:22 PM)king1 Wrote: I think there are advantages to sticking to the UN way of reporting deaths, consistency in reporting methods allows much better comparisons between data sets, with different countries etcI agree. And I think there are privacy constraints on the reporting of details of deaths.
and yes Oldfellah, i would be interested in the vaxxed/unvaxxed deaths too, but I suspect that will never happen because regardless of which way it leans, it would probably create animosities in certain population groups that will be unhealthy for society going forward...
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Olive - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 01:43 PM)king1 Wrote:No. I think are general privacy considerations around reporting causes of deaths, and that includes Covid-19. And not all families would be ashamed of having unvaccinated members - a few are rabidly anti-vax and would be ashamed of having a vaccinated family member.(01-04-2022, 01:34 PM)Olive Wrote: I agree. And I think there are privacy constraints on the reporting of details of deaths.Is that a nice way of saying the family of unvaxxed deceased don't want to admit it?
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oh_hunnihunni - 01-04-2022
There really is only one cause of death.
Heart failure.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oldfellah - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 02:48 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: There really is only one cause of death.
Heart failure.
Hush your mouth !!!! Im waiting for them to fix mine so it wont fail, I am on the urgent waiting list and have been since last November, thank god its urgent or I might be waiting years
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - harm_less - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 02:48 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: There really is only one cause of death.You can argue either that or lack of oxygen supply to the brain but it's a 'chicken and egg' scenario between the two, though in the case of drowning or asphyxiation the heart does its best but there ain't no O2 in that blood.
Heart failure.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Magoo - 01-04-2022
there is only one cause of death.
life.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Zurdo - 01-04-2022
Apparently the highest death rate is in old people. Good job, pensioners are bleeding the country dry.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Magoo - 01-04-2022
i believe natural causes is a real killer too.
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oh_hunnihunni - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 04:15 PM)Oldfellah Wrote:Ooooh! Rich, male, of senior years, and with dodgy health, c'mere you lovely man...(01-04-2022, 02:48 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: There really is only one cause of death.
Heart failure.
Hush your mouth !!!! Im waiting for them to fix mine so it wont fail, I am on the urgent waiting list and have been since last November, thank god its urgent or I might be waiting years
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - Oldfellah - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 04:43 PM)Zurdo Wrote: Apparently the highest death rate is in old people. Good job, pensioners are bleeding the country dry.Tell me where you live and ill come and bang you on the head (bang bang maxwells silver hammer made sure the he was dead) then you wont have to worry about us pensioners bleeding the country dry
(01-04-2022, 04:47 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:They tell me Im very rich!(01-04-2022, 04:15 PM)Oldfellah Wrote: Hush your mouth !!!! Im waiting for them to fix mine so it wont fail, I am on the urgent waiting list and have been since last November, thank god its urgent or I might be waiting yearsOoooh! Rich, male, of senior years, and with dodgy health, c'mere you lovely man...
RE: Died "with" Covid.... - C_T_Russell - 01-04-2022
(01-04-2022, 11:08 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: We follow UN guidelines on covid reporting. Most nations do not which means the real figures are probably a great deal worse than reported stats.So if your shot dead with covid, you think its ok to be recorded as a "covid" death?
(01-04-2022, 10:53 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote: How much more misleading can it get than that?Actual figures take a while to ascertain because post mortem test results take time.
Did anyone hear on the TV the other night how they were trying to explain the "jump" in deaths where we had 35 deaths reported?
Then they went on to say how some were found to have covid19 during the post mortem.
As we have already seen, if you are murdered, but have covid, it goes down as a covid death, same with car accident, heart attack, cancer, etc, etc.
Not only is it misleading but its corrupt politics, and I believe this is laid down by the WHO guidelines, so not blaming Jacinda on this, as they are simply following orders, but she should still know better.
Obviously the agenda is to make this virus look more dangerous than it really is to justify the amount of draconian measures taken.
But hey, we shouldn't let common sense get in the way of a good beat up eh?
(01-04-2022, 01:22 PM)king1 Wrote: I think there are advantages to sticking to the UN way of reporting deaths, consistency in reporting methods allows much better comparisons between data sets, with different countries etcIf the UN guide was to not record any deaths with people who tested positive, the number of recorded deaths would be much lower overall.
and yes Oldfellah, i would be interested in the vaxxed/unvaxxed deaths too, but I suspect that will never happen because regardless of which way it leans, it would probably create animosities in certain population groups that will be unhealthy for society going forward...