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so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - C_T_Russell - 07-05-2023
How does this work exactly?
You can just switch like that from Labour to the maori party unelected?
Wouldn't you be required to remain as an independent MP until the next election?
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-05-2023
Ohhhhh puleeze ct! The race card?
You are better than that.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - king1 - 07-05-2023
Might be because she hasn't technically resigned from Labour... so she would have to resign or be expelled from labour for the waka jumping legislation to be invoked. I can see her being expelled fairly quickly if she doesn't officially resign from labour
Quote:That same day, Speaker of the House Adrian Rurawhe confirmed that Whaitiri would serve the remainder of her 2020–2023 term as an independent member of Parliament under standing order 35.5, which avoids invoking the waka-jumping provisions of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Act 2018. Rurawhe's decision not to invoke the waka-jumping law was criticised by National Party MPs Michael Woodhouse, Chris Bishop, and ACT Party leader David Seymour.[45] On 4 May, Rurawhe clarified that he had not received from Whaitiri a letter of resignation from Labour, despite her public statements.[46] Therefore she remains a Labour MP under electoral legislation, but is an independent MP for parliamentary purposes under standing orders.[47]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meka_Whaitiri
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 07-05-2023
Leave it to the electorate. There is no indication they are likely to change party allegiance after decades of being a solid Labour seat. Especially for someone more interested in her career than in helping her voting base who are enduring all kinds of shit right now.
They're not stupid.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - C_T_Russell - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 12:01 PM)king1 Wrote: Might be because she hasn't technically resigned from Labour... so she would have to resign or be expelled from labour for the waka jumping legislation to be invoked. I can see her being expelled fairly quickly if she doesn't officially resign from labourFrom what I read, the speaker of the house could have invoked the Waka jumping legislation, but didn't.
Quote:That same day, Speaker of the House Adrian Rurawhe confirmed that Whaitiri would serve the remainder of her 2020–2023 term as an independent member of Parliament under standing order 35.5, which avoids invoking the waka-jumping provisions of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Act 2018. Rurawhe's decision not to invoke the waka-jumping law was criticised by National Party MPs Michael Woodhouse, Chris Bishop, and ACT Party leader David Seymour.[45] On 4 May, Rurawhe clarified that he had not received from Whaitiri a letter of resignation from Labour, despite her public statements.[46] Therefore she remains a Labour MP under electoral legislation, but is an independent MP for parliamentary purposes under standing orders.[47]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meka_Whaitiri
I dont know how that even works if she still is technically a member of Labour.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 08-05-2023
And now we have Green MP jumping ship as well. As a list MP she should be kicked from Parliament and the next person on the Green list. Whaitiri at least has some legitimacy as a elected MP with an electorate.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 08-05-2023
Sssssh, quite a few of the Green party support base are quite pleased she jumped.
This one included.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 08-05-2023
(08-05-2023, 05:13 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Sssssh, quite a few of the Green party support base are quite pleased she jumped.
This one included.
Do you think she should be removed from Parliament?
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 08-05-2023
(08-05-2023, 05:37 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:(08-05-2023, 05:13 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Sssssh, quite a few of the Green party support base are quite pleased she jumped.
This one included.
Do you think she should be removed from Parliament?
I think the investigation should have been allowed to run its course. Her jumping kind of short circuited that process, which I suspect was her intention.
I think the system will remove her as it rolls on.
Interesting isn't it, the way the system deals to politicians who get just a little too big for their boots. Plenty of examples in the not so distant past to illustrate the point.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 08-05-2023
(08-05-2023, 09:09 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:(08-05-2023, 05:37 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: Do you think she should be removed from Parliament?
I think the investigation should have been allowed to run its course. Her jumping kind of short circuited that process, which I suspect was her intention.
I think the system will remove her as it rolls on.
Interesting isn't it, the way the system deals to politicians who get just a little too big for their boots. Plenty of examples in the not so distant past to illustrate the point.
That was quite an answer but didn't really answer the question.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 08-05-2023
(08-05-2023, 09:27 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:Thanks.(08-05-2023, 09:09 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I think the investigation should have been allowed to run its course. Her jumping kind of short circuited that process, which I suspect was her intention.
I think the system will remove her as it rolls on.
Interesting isn't it, the way the system deals to politicians who get just a little too big for their boots. Plenty of examples in the not so distant past to illustrate the point.
That was quite an answer but didn't really answer the question.
Maybe the question needed work.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 08-05-2023
(08-05-2023, 09:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote:(08-05-2023, 09:27 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: That was quite an answer but didn't really answer the question.Thanks.
Maybe the question needed work.
Only for overeducated hand wringers
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 09-05-2023
(08-05-2023, 09:38 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:(08-05-2023, 09:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Thanks.
Maybe the question needed work.
Only for overeducated hand wringers
This one didn't ask the question though, nor needed the answer.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 09-05-2023
Well as a list MP she needs to be removed from Parliament.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 09-05-2023
You should have been watching Question Time today...
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 09-05-2023
(09-05-2023, 04:34 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: You should have been watching Question Time today...
Why on earth would I do that??
So what happened? I see the 2 Maori party co leaders got booted .
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Oh_hunnihunni - 09-05-2023
She got schooled by the Speaker...
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 09-05-2023
(09-05-2023, 06:43 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: She got schooled by the Speaker...
BUT not removed from Parliament? She should no longer be an MP
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - harm_less - 09-05-2023
(09-05-2023, 06:58 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote:(09-05-2023, 06:43 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: She got schooled by the Speaker...
BUT not removed from Parliament? She should no longer be an MP
That's more about complying with rules of engagement and resisting acting on whatever the f**k you think should be happening.
RE: so if you are maori you are allowed to jump ships? - Wainuiguy - 09-05-2023
(09-05-2023, 07:09 PM)harm_less Wrote:(09-05-2023, 06:58 PM)Wainuiguy Wrote: BUT not removed from Parliament? She should no longer be an MP
That's more about complying with rules of engagement and resisting acting on whatever the f**k you think should be happening.
As a list MP once she leaves her party she should no longer be in Parliament. She should no longer be an MP. She does not have any mandate to remain.