(29-03-2025, 03:46 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: I am wondering if that means universities will close their prayer room spaces...

(29-03-2025, 02:52 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: They seem determined to pretend that trying to achieve equity for everyone is really racism & they won't stand for that. 

Somewhere in their hearts (assuming they have such a thing)  they must know that what they want is, if not racism then far closer to it than what's been achieved so far. Which would tend to make many ACT MP's  hypocrites.


They're going to stop 'services based on race' - & using an Indian member, Dr Parmeet Parmar to do so.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556560/act-mp-launches-member-s-bill-to-stop-universities-offering-services-based-on-race


Warning,contains footage of a politician. He seems very proud of having scrapped free GP visits for Maori or Pasifikica & sems to believe thbat will bring about equity

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/527889/watch-act-party-leader-david-seymour-announces-policy-directive-on-need-not-race

(01-04-2025, 10:02 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(29-03-2025, 02:52 PM)Lilith7 Wrote: They seem determined to pretend that trying to achieve equity for everyone is really racism & they won't stand for that. 

Somewhere in their hearts (assuming they have such a thing)  they must know that what they want is, if not racism then far closer to it than what's been achieved so far. Which would tend to make many ACT MP's  hypocrites.


They're going to stop 'services based on race' - & using an Indian member, Dr Parmeet Parmar to do so.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556560/act-mp-launches-member-s-bill-to-stop-universities-offering-services-based-on-race


Warning,contains footage of a politician. He seems very proud of having scrapped free GP visits for Maori or Pasifikica & sems to believe thbat will bring about equity

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/527889/watch-act-party-leader-david-seymour-announces-policy-directive-on-need-not-race

So let me get this straight, you think that by removing services by race, and instead providing them by need, that this is somehow unequal or unfair? Putitng everyone in the race basket is not only unfair, but divisive.
You could have people of any race that are in the same need as someone who is maori and they get excluded by race, that by definition is racist.
We are a multi cultural nation with a mixture of different races, everyone needs to be treated fairly and equal.

There are plenty of "white" people who cant afford a doctors visit for their child, but meanwhile all maori get a free run, even if the family can afford to do so.
ACT are taking a common sense no-brainer approach here.

(01-04-2025, 01:51 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: But CT, surely before we can all be treated fairly and equal - your words, they have to be equal. And lots of simply are not.

Woman are not equal with men, people of different ethnicities are not equal, age groups are not equal, people of different faiths are not equal, people of different incomes are not equal, people of different social stauses are not equal. And people with different levels of education are not equal. Eveneople who just live in different parts of the country are not equal.

Life is not a one size fits all business, and so long as difference exists, 'fairly and equal' is just noise out of some politicians mouth.

(01-04-2025, 01:51 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: But CT, surely before we can all be treated fairly and equal - your words, they have to be equal. And lots of simply are not.

Woman are not equal with men, people of different ethnicities are not equal, age groups are not equal, people of different faiths are not equal, people of different incomes are not equal, people of different social statuses are not equal. And people with different levels of education are not equal. Even people who just live in different parts of the country are not equal.

Life is not a one size fits all business, and so long as difference exists, 'fairly and equal' is just noise out of some politicians mouth.

(02-04-2025, 01:15 PM)C_T_Russell Wrote:

(01-04-2025, 01:51 PM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: But CT, surely before we can all be treated fairly and equal - your words, they have to be equal. And lots of simply are not.

Woman are not equal with men, people of different ethnicities are not equal, age groups are not equal, people of different faiths are not equal, people of different incomes are not equal, people of different social statuses are not equal. And people with different levels of education are not equal. Even people who just live in different parts of the country are not equal.

Life is not a one size fits all business, and so long as difference exists, 'fairly and equal' is just noise out of some politicians mouth.

Thats my whole point, take the race card out of it and treat people by need, thats what ACT want to do. If you cant afford a doctors visit, regardless of your race, you get assistance. Pretty simple really.