Labour plunge to 4 year low in latest poll

[zqwerty]

I have virtually no Biblical beliefs but these "end times" are looking like fairly convincing ones, lol; inevitable actually considering the combination of mismanagement and population increase on an all too finite planet Earth.

The traditional bungling of political parties in general cannot go on forever without penalty.

Is managing the resources of a small country like New Zealand for the good of the majority of the population too much to ask for?

[Lilith7]

I have virtually no Biblical beliefs but these "end times" are looking like fairly convincing ones, lol; inevitable actually considering the combination of mismanagement and population increase on an all too finite planet Earth.

The traditional bungling of political parties in general cannot go on forever without penalty.

Is managing the resources of a small country like New Zealand for the good of the majority of the population too much to ask for?

Well - going by all the evidence so far, it seems that it is. Not one of our politicians appears capable of thinking about much other than their political survival, let alone  putting some thought into looking at long term possibilities for this country & our planet.

[C_T_Russell]

Bloody well ought to be frightened too. I know you like to discount science, but the evidence is all around us and people are starting to die. Like any catastrophe these things start slowly then speed up. Fortunately I'm old, I might just manage to die before I have to watch the death toll mount.

Because mount it will. And with it civilisation will be rocked, if not toppled...

Die from what? Climate change?
Nothing to see here, only thing thats been killing millions was covid along with the vaccines and finished off with a  good old fadhioned war. I'm not afraid of the propaganda the climate cult indoctrinated us with, none of it ever come to fruition, Antarctica was supposed to have melted by now and flooded the world. Scared me as a kid, but later learned it was all rubbish. No wonder kids growing up have so much mental health issues.

Why are so worried if all of this is going to happen long after you are gone?
The truth is this planet has been through way worse before in its history, and life survived, I'm sure humans will be able to make it through just fine.
Besides, humans are the biggest problem on this planet, just let nature take its course snd throw things back into balance.

[harm_less]

Bloody well ought to be frightened too. I know you like to discount science, but the evidence is all around us and people are starting to die. Like any catastrophe these things start slowly then speed up. Fortunately I'm old, I might just manage to die before I have to watch the death toll mount.

Because mount it will. And with it civilisation will be rocked, if not toppled...

Die from what? Climate change?
Nothing to see here, only thing thats been killing millions was covid along with the vaccines and finished off with a  good old fadhioned war. I'm not afraid of the propaganda the climate cult indoctrinated us with, none of it ever come to fruition, Antarctica was supposed to have melted by now and flooded the world. Scared me as a kid, but later learned it was all rubbish. No wonder kids growing up have so much mental health issues.

So you're happy to ignore the news of those being burnt to death in the northern hemisphere heatwave events and those drowned in flooding in numerous freak flooding disasters? And what we're seeing now is only the start of what our disruption of the planet's carbon cycles will mete out.

Once the weather patterns destabilise further food supplies will become hugely problematic so famines will increasingly play a part in human mortality. The wider effects of climate change are only just starting to become apparent but the next phase as tipping points are reached will be enough to catch even your attention CT.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...312349007/

[king1]

Bloody well ought to be frightened too. I know you like to discount science, but the evidence is all around us and people are starting to die. Like any catastrophe these things start slowly then speed up. Fortunately I'm old, I might just manage to die before I have to watch the death toll mount.

Because mount it will. And with it civilisation will be rocked, if not toppled...

 just let nature take its course and throw things back into balance.

hmm sounds like another extinction level event in the making...
Nature did a number on Venus and its runaway greenhouse effect.

I think we should probably try to prevent that sort of thing if we can...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Because I have grandchildren I love CT,that is why I am concerned about the future.

Remember covid? And how that impacted economies around the world? The war in Ukraine? The economic impact of climate change will be hundreds of times worse. Think about it.

[C_T_Russell]

Die from what? Climate change?
Nothing to see here, only thing thats been killing millions was covid along with the vaccines and finished off with a  good old fadhioned war. I'm not afraid of the propaganda the climate cult indoctrinated us with, none of it ever come to fruition, Antarctica was supposed to have melted by now and flooded the world. Scared me as a kid, but later learned it was all rubbish. No wonder kids growing up have so much mental health issues.

So you're happy to ignore the news of those being burnt to death in the northern hemisphere heatwave events and those drowned in flooding in numerous freak flooding disasters? And what we're seeing now is only the start of what our disruption of the planet's carbon cycles will mete out.

Once the weather patterns destabilise further food supplies will become hugely problematic so famines will increasingly play a part in human mortality. The wider effects of climate change are only just starting to become apparent but the next phase as tipping points are reached will be enough to catch even your attention CT.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...312349007/

Where is the proof that any if these floods and fires are climate change?
For all I know that fire could have been deliberately lit. There have always been floods and heatwaves.
I'm so over hearing this propaganda every time I turn on the TV. Best thing we can all do is switch our TVs off. It gives us back the power that the state controlled media use to manipulate us to confirm to their agendas.
The fact is NZ can't do nothing to fix the climate, even if we removed all our farms and planted the while country in trees.

I just wish we could see all countries stop making weapons and killing each other and use that money to replant the Amazon and put trees in Africa, that would have more effect on the climate just from the number of trees attracting moisture and restoration of ecosystems.
They will also love the co2.

 just let nature take its course and throw things back into balance.

hmm sounds like another extinction level event in the making... 
Nature did a number on Venus and its runaway greenhouse effect.

I think we should probably try to prevent that sort of thing if we can...

A runaway greenhouse effect on the earth is next to impossible, Venus is also much closer to the sun.
The earth has had way higher amounts of co2 in the past.
The reality is that nothing is going to change and all this stuff is just a distraction to make people feel like they are doing good by planting pines.
Why doesn't the govt actually do something good with all the carbon tax they have collected from the petrol? Use it to rebuild Hawkes Bay and build stopbanks (that should have already existed) oh and the elephant in the room is ir irony of all that forestry slash causing so much damage and blocking streams causing flooding to even be worse!

Because I have grandchildren I love CT,that is why I am concerned about the future.

Remember covid? And how that impacted economies around the world? The war in Ukraine? The economic impact of climate change will be hundreds of times worse. Think about it.

Wait until we have another ice age and the world will be crying out for nuclear power.

[Lilith7]

Bloody well ought to be frightened too. I know you like to discount science, but the evidence is all around us and people are starting to die. Like any catastrophe these things start slowly then speed up. Fortunately I'm old, I might just manage to die before I have to watch the death toll mount.

Because mount it will. And with it civilisation will be rocked, if not toppled...

Die from what? Climate change?
Nothing to see here, only thing thats been killing millions was covid along with the vaccines and finished off with a  good old fadhioned war. I'm not afraid of the propaganda the climate cult indoctrinated us with, none of it ever come to fruition, Antarctica was supposed to have melted by now and flooded the world. Scared me as a kid, but later learned it was all rubbish. No wonder kids growing up have so much mental health issues.

Why are so worried if all of this is going to happen long after you are gone?
The truth is this planet has been through way worse before in its history, and life survived, I'm sure humans will be able to make it through just fine.
Besides, humans are the biggest problem on this planet, just let nature take its course snd throw things back into balance.

"Why are so worried if all of this is going to happen long after you are gone?"


Can you be serious?? Can you really not care about any children, grandchildren great grandchildren you may have, or indeed ay other people at all, who will have to deal with this situation in the future?
REALLY?? How can you not?

[C_T_Russell]

Die from what? Climate change?
Nothing to see here, only thing thats been killing millions was covid along with the vaccines and finished off with a  good old fadhioned war. I'm not afraid of the propaganda the climate cult indoctrinated us with, none of it ever come to fruition, Antarctica was supposed to have melted by now and flooded the world. Scared me as a kid, but later learned it was all rubbish. No wonder kids growing up have so much mental health issues.

Why are so worried if all of this is going to happen long after you are gone?
The truth is this planet has been through way worse before in its history, and life survived, I'm sure humans will be able to make it through just fine.
Besides, humans are the biggest problem on this planet, just let nature take its course snd throw things back into balance.

How is it any different for us?
Fossil fuels have been burned for a good 200 years, we inherited this from previous generations.
Besides I'm not worried, the whole thing is largely fabricated and nothing is going to happen.
You just need to stop buying into all the fear.


"Why are so worried if all of this is going to happen long after you are gone?"


Can you be serious?? Can you really not care about any children, grandchildren great grandchildren you may have, or indeed ay other people at all, who will have to deal with this situation in the future?
REALLY?? How can you not?

[Lilith7]

How is it any different for us?
Fossil fuels have been burned for a good 200 years, we inherited this from previous generations.
Besides I'm not worried, the whole thing is largely fabricated and nothing is going to happen.
You just need to stop buying into all the fear.


"Why are so worried if all of this is going to happen long after you are gone?"


Can you be serious?? Can you really not care about any children, grandchildren great grandchildren you may have, or indeed ay other people at all, who will have to deal with this situation in the future?
REALLY?? How can you not?

Ah, so I just need to stop 'buying into all the fear,' then huh??!

Well hell then, I'll just use your method - close my eyes & pretend it isn't happening. Should work a treat...or something.

[C_T_Russell]

Well considering the wildfires were deliberately lit, it can be concluded that these fires are not due to global warming, but arson and hence murder.
Now I hear all this BS on the news that it's called global "boiling" wtf?
They are taking us for fools. They also are telling us we are feeling it here with a warmer July than normal. Even more garbage coming out of their mouths. This winter is much colder than previous winters.
Looks like the skifields are getting a good amount too.

[king1]

Well considering the wildfires were deliberately lit, it can be concluded that these fires are not due to global warming, but arson and hence murder.

but because of the global warming/heating/boiling the outcomes of these wildfires are much more devastating than they otherwise would have been.  It probably doesn't matter what the ignition source was...

[harm_less]

Well considering the wildfires were deliberately lit, it can be concluded that these fires are not due to global warming, but arson and hence murder.
Now I hear all this BS on the news that it's called global "boiling" wtf?
They are taking us for fools. They also are telling us we are feeling it here with a warmer July than normal. Even more garbage coming out of their mouths. This winter is much colder than previous winters.
Looks like the skifields are getting a good amount too.

You might consider that the wildfires were deliberately lit but do you have any reliable source for your 'considerations'?

The global "boiling" reference by the UN head is in reference to land and sea temperatures being experienced in the Nothern Hemisphere. Long standing maximum temperature records falling day after day is far from BS. Last year saw over 60,000 people dying in Europe from heat related causes and it's a fair bet that the current season's death tally will well eclipse that total.

So far as seasonal temperatures are concerned we didn't need to start feeding out silage to our cattle until early as the pasture growth was sufficient to feed them prior to that, which is a real turnaround from the usual April pasture slow down. For those in the north of the North Island it may seem that this winter has been a harsh one but that dispondance has more to do with cloud cover and frequent rainy days by all accounts. Incidentally down here in the Naki our June and July rainfall totals are well below those for the last 5 years or more so Auckland's wet winter isn't indicative of the NZ norm, just overreported by the media.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

How then are the heat waves explained? Our weather worldwide is breaking all kinds of records. If the fires are down to people with matches, then how are the floods explained in your worldview? How is the reduction in Arctic and Antarctic ice explained? How is the record breaking range of sea temperatures explained? Someone down on the beach with an immersion heater?

The reason climate change is an issue is not what it does for the planet, but how it will impact our ability to live the lives we are locked into. Food production, land use, transport, the safety and security of where we live, work, educate our children, and the threats and risks we face in a changing world. It is a real threat for species who have evolved to fit certain climate brackets, and we are top of that list.

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Well considering the wildfires were deliberately lit, it can be concluded that these fires are not due to global warming, but arson and hence murder.
Now I hear all this BS on the news that it's called global "boiling" wtf?
They are taking us for fools. They also are telling us we are feeling it here with a warmer July than normal. Even more garbage coming out of their mouths. This winter is much colder than previous winters.
Looks like the skifields are getting a good amount too.

You might consider that the wildfires were deliberately lit but do you have any reliable source for your 'considerations'?

The global "boiling" reference by the UN head is in reference to land and sea temperatures being experienced in the Nothern Hemisphere. Long standing maximum temperature records falling day after day is far from BS. Last year saw over 60,000 people dying in Europe from heat related causes and it's a fair bet that the current season's death tally will well eclipse that total.

So far as seasonal temperatures are concerned we didn't need to start feeding out silage to our cattle until early as the pasture growth was sufficient to feed them prior to that, which is a real turnaround from the usual April pasture slow down. For those in the north of the North Island it may seem that this winter has been a harsh one but that dispondance has more to do with cloud cover and frequent rainy days by all accounts. Incidentally down here in the Naki our JJune and July rainfall totals are well below those for the last 5 years or more so Auckland's wet winter isn't indicative of the NZ norm, just overreported by the media.

Mmmm, here it seems we have been wet for weeks. We are looking forward to more than the occasional sunny day...

[harm_less]

Mmmm, here it seems we have been wet for weeks. We are looking forward to more than the occasional sunny day...

I'm getting regular complaints from my sister in Birkenhead who is claiming just a handful of clear days since the Auckland Anniversary weekend event (which is another example of changing weather patterns) so well aware of the plight of Aucklanders.

... And as we see the first frost of the year our first set of twin lambs are enjoying the sun this morning

[Lilith7]

Well considering the wildfires were deliberately lit, it can be concluded that these fires are not due to global warming, but arson and hence murder.
Now I hear all this BS on the news that it's called global "boiling" wtf?
They are taking us for fools. They also are telling us we are feeling it here with a warmer July than normal. Even more garbage coming out of their mouths. This winter is much colder than previous winters.
Looks like the skifields are getting a good amount too.

Very selective of you CT. Some of them were deliberately lit, not all.

Sooner or later those who prefer to claim that its all a gigantic conspiracy - for whatever unknown reasons - are going to have open their eyes & deal with the reality that we've mucked up our world & need to try to fix the mess.