TM Coin Club Thread

[Dean]

wish Noble wouldn't mix the gold with the silver.

[Dean]

This sold for 1600 + buyer's premium.

https://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=483138

So basically a case of pay for the gold and get the other medals for free.

This sold for 900 + buyer's premium.

https://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=482593

[Dean]

has noble not sent out invoices for the NZ medals auction yet?

[translateltd]

Trouble at t' mill with bidbud.co.nz today?  Connection timeouts since about lunchtime.

[Dean]

House of Huia appear to be planning some interesting numismatic auctions.

[Dean]

Verdigris or Bronze disease?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/...4859265189

[translateltd]

Verdigris or Bronze disease?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/...4859265189

Aren't they pretty much the same thing?  Needs carefully removing and stabilising in any case.

[Dean]

Bronze disease is nasty. It's s self sustaining chemical reaction so basically no cure. Verdigris is curable with the correct treatment. I think the main way to tell the difference between the two is that with Bronze disease you can easily scrape the green gunge off with a tooth pick.

[Dean]

is someone able to confirm for me if these are the Serifs on date variety?

https://www.houseofhuia.co.nz/auctions/9/catalogue/0024

Serifs on date

[Dean]

Interesting to note that NGC has reduced price for 1942 6d, but 1941 stays high. Always did seem to me that the 1942 was far more common than 1941.

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/worl...id-1424965

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while we are on the topic a reminder that a 1936 florin graded AU58 is only worth 275 USD.

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/worl...id-1425265

[alpha111]

Jason's website "New Zealand Coin Errors & Varieties" gives a positive answer.

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Listing #4976190526 "According to phone app condition is VF but please judge for yourself from photos as I am no expert."
What phone app gives gradings?

[Dean]

pcgs appear to believe this is a proof

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356081004919

while I must say it is a very nice example I'm not convinced of its proof status. King George's beard seems a little flat and lacking detail at the centre point. What I suspect might have happened is that with the rampant over grading going on all over the place the graders are not used to seeing a genuinely near uncirculated example, so when they do they are fooled into thinking it must be a proof. Thoughts?

cf

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/items/75741

[translateltd]

is someone able to confirm for me if these are the Serifs on date variety?

https://www.houseofhuia.co.nz/auctions/9/catalogue/0024

Serifs on date

Belatedly, yes :-)  Jason's page at coinerrors.nz will have comparative images of these and, I think, other dates exhibiting mint-dependent variations (1980, 82-5 in particular). I wrote these up originally for a Journal article but never carried it over into the Varieties section of the annual catalogue.

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pcgs appear to believe this is a proof

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356081004919

while I must say it is a very nice example I'm not convinced of its proof status. King George's beard seems a little flat and lacking detail at the centre point. What I suspect might have happened is that with the rampant over grading going on all over the place the graders are not used to seeing a genuinely near uncirculated example, so when they do they are fooled into thinking it must be a proof. Thoughts?

cf

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/items/75741

Difficult from a picture alone, but if nothing else it's got some wear to the upper reaches of the king's beard, just below ear level.  Cabinet friction, to be charitable?  The MuseumVic item is much more detailed at that point.  Given the 20-30 seconds that slabbers spend per coin, as I understand it -- and that incluides printing out the label and sealing up the coin, it's hardly surprising that only a small number of listed diagnostic features are taken into account rather than giving the coin careful scrutiny.  The first slabbed coin I ever saw had cuts to the rim but it must have still ticked the boxes for the parts required to assign a given grade, as the problems weren't noted at all.

[Dean]

Any ideas what this is?


https://www.grays.com/lot/3504-5058587/m...cribed-369

[Dean]

I reckon these are the same medal.

https://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=109917

https://www.grays.com/lot/0226-5058030/m...V8dwH6lU8M

(scratch below shield)

Apparently (according to wikipedia) mintage of 3 in silver. I wonder why Jim didn't sell this on his own auction site but instead chose some obscure Aus auction site that few non-Aus people use?

[mattman100]

I don't know the reason but it is happening, as a prominent example we have:-
GERMANY. Saxony. August as Elector of Saxony, 1569. Silver Taler Listing # 4486487943 Buy now: $1,499.99 Mattman100
GERMANY. Saxony. August as Elector of Saxony, 1569. Silver Taler. $1,499.99  -10% NZD $1,350.00 NZD Aventine website World Coins.
And the other coins that are reduced on the Aventine website lo and behold appear at the original price on mattman100's trade me listings.
Also of interest is that collectorman bought 70 of acw-nz's 1/2 price items; beats my 11 by a mile.

I know this is an old message but havent used this message board before - I list my coins on trademe accounting for the listing fees and also consign coins through Aventine - usually I list things there 10% cheaper as I don't get charged as much to sell through Aventine compared with trademe. We are separate individuals and sometimes compete against each other on auctions not that I often win much!

[Dean]

in case anyone wants to bid on Jim's hoard.

https://www.grays.com/sale/5061276/memor...z-delivery

https://www.grays.com/sale/5061263/memor...z-delivery


might as well get it from the source instead of paying 100x the price from some "canny" NZ dealer.

(I reckon this is about auction number 100 and 101 in the series!)

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I consider those dealers who were funneling NZ's numismatic treasures to Jim Noble on an industrial scale to be traitors.

Is that too harsh?

[Dean]

the clown has another auction.

https://www.grays.com/sale/5061307/memor...z-delivery

[mattman100]

the clown has another auction.

Wonder how many more auctions there will be - clearly a lot of stuff to get through

[Dean]

the clown has another auction.

Wonder how many more auctions there will be - clearly a lot of stuff to get through

who knows for sure, but I think we might be getting near the finish line. The auctions started about a year ago, although it seems only a select few received any notification at the time. I missed most of the best stuff, which probably explains why I am so bitter. I also resent having to bid on that website. It would be very difficult to overstate how much I despise the clown, along with all the toe-rag NZ dealers who were funneling so much of this stuff to him.