30-09-2025, 07:19 AM
(30-09-2025, 12:23 AM)C_T_Russell Wrote:(22-09-2025, 09:22 PM)king1 Wrote: the legislation for it was there in 1977 CTIt appears section 11 is whats in question, the big issue i see here is if some practitioners could make a poor judgement, even if it requires 2 to make the decision.
Here it is
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ...18171.html
and the 2020 legislation
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ...37600.html
All looks the same to me...
I dont know if the person interviewed is full of shit or not, but it needs investigation.
(23-09-2025, 10:54 AM)Oh_hunnihunni Wrote: Okay. I have had time to think about this, so here goes.Im not actually against abortion, but there has to be a line drawn in the sand, I agree that there are medical cases where the mother could be in danger and termination necessary.
CT, I have carried an unexpected pregnancy, discovered the fact late after years of medically diagnosed infertility, and carried that child to full term, so I know what that means. I have also had a surgical termination so I know what that means too. I think both experiences qualify me in ways no male will ever be able to match, to speak about female fertility and the way our communities deal with it.
No termination is without consequences, just as no pregnancy is without consequences, primarily for the woman doing the hard yards, but also for her wider circle, including the professional one. And, as it is her body, her psyche, and her life that is at risk, it is entirely her responsibility when it comes to choices and decisions. Anything else is simply unconscionable.
Where late term terminations occur there is always a reason, always consequences, and no uninvolved bystander has any conception or understanding of those, be they legislators, or religious/politically motivated do gooders. Walk a mile in her shoes, then shut the fuck up about it, because CT, there is no way you will ever understand or be expected to understand the cost, the price, of being female and fertile in a world where being female in this world means constant threat to your well being and life.
When male fertility is as legislated, as controlled, and as exploited as female, then maybe we will be a more mature species. Till then hands off things female...
From the example in the interview I shared, it appears that 2 practitioners can permit a termination for any reason, and thats the issue I have.
The requirement for two practitioners is the safeguard against abuse of this CT. Would you feel better if it required a hearing from a committee (i imagine timing/urgency is an issue though). It's got to be better than a single individual doctor being able to decide.
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