An interesting interview with Jacinda Ardern

[Praktica]

I can't see heisenberg being enough of a troll to induce anything more than a feeling of disbelief in his gullibility.

[zqwerty]

I find him fairly annoying.

[harm_less]

I find him fairly annoying.

Like finding a maggot in your dinner 

[Praktica]

I find him fairly annoying.

Like finding a maggot in your dinner 

That would be your school lunch...

[zqwerty]

LOL. harm_less and Praktica.

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Apparently "hay days" should be "heydays" so, sorry, I got that wrong.

[Lilith7]

I find him fairly annoying.

Like finding a maggot in your dinner 

And that's another excellent reason that every last MP should be fed the very same lunches...

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Remember trolls just troll, there's no rhyme or reason it's just sheer bloody mindedness to get on your goat and get a rise out of you.

They especially attack treasured beliefs and undermine them.

There was a cult here in Christchurch that was called Z.A.P., Zenith Applied Philosophy, which used this technique as a way to break people's minds through proving to them that all they hold dear is actually not true and then after they collapse mentally they go into a state of fugue (a period during which a person experiences loss of memory, often begins a new life, and, upon recovery, remembers nothing of the amnesic phase) and can be reprogrammed into believing anything.  Z.A.P. used this to get people working for very low wages in their Fried Chicken Outlets in the Square and Carlton Corner whilst they sorted themselves out again after the mind zap and got back on track admittedly altered and never the same again.  (The Dog House, Farmer John's Chicken House)

It works because all beliefs are just that, beliefs, knowing is the thing that's harder to destroy in anyone's mind, it goes: thinking, believing, knowing.

The leader of the cult had people driving past his place somewhere on the way to the University of Canterbury, in Fendalton I believe, shooting shot guns through the walls.  (John Dalhoff (aka John Ultimate)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Applied_Philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalhoff

There's a bit more if you search for Zenith Applied Philosophy on Google.

Doesn't sound much like NZ does it?

When I was on my way to Christchurch I think it was when I was in transit in Durban and I had a conversation with someone in the bar of a hotel and one of the things they said to me was:  Look Out For The Cults in NZ there is lots of them.  They also said back in the past that Christchurch was known as Sin City.  I guess that would have been in the hay days of Lyttleton Port before the advent of container ships shut a lot of the pubs down.

Crazy really but it happened.

I vaguely remember hearing  about them, & there was another called The Divine Light Mission I think it was. Heard a bit  about  both, enough  to steer well clear.

[heisenberg]

the lefty circle jerk continues

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I can't see heisenberg being enough of a troll to induce anything more than a feeling of disbelief in his gullibility.

I like him. I like CT as well. And dken.I can overlook or comment on their posts the same way I can with anyone else's ramblings. Sure heisenberg sets out to stir, but then, I have been known to wave my own wooden spoon around on occasion.

I think we are in dire danger of becoming a stagnant pond if we start picking and choosing who we let in here on the basis of the way they post. After all, reading anything is a personal choice. Don't like it, move on.

And, for the record I see no benefit to be gained from calling people names. It says more about the person doing it than their target.

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the lefty circle jerk continues

You just can't help yourself can you?   But hey, you do make me laugh.

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Oh, nearly forgot. This is an interesting interview with Jacinda. By a couple of respected international podcasters...

They are fans though. In case a warning is necessary.


https://youtu.be/XX_POKmypjE?si=BEqdv1W7usg1oDpw

[harm_less]

the lefty circle jerk continues

And our resident miserable prick just keeps on bitching.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Yeah, just ignore that really interesting on topic interview link I posted, in favour of childish squabbling.

Oh dear, my Bad Mummy is showing again!

[king1]

yep just focus on the issues folks - petty name calling and labels has no place in a healthy debate

[heisenberg]

I find him fairly annoying.

Like a stone in your lefty shoe

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good review of the latest masterpiece from jacindarella

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/36071110...py-session

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Wow, he's quite definite isn't he? I particularly like the bit about comparisons, reminds me a bit of Trump's favourite response when someone gets a bit sharp with him 'oh that's a nasty question/woman/university/democrat' but doesn't actually respond to the point. Tim does exactly what Ardern says the critics will do... Yup, vehemently caustic, but without a lot of actual real critique.

So maybe he really doesn't have anything? Except vitriol? Which is sad really...

[heisenberg]

Wow, he's quite definite isn't he? I particularly like the bit about comparisons, reminds me a bit of Trump's favourite response when someone gets a bit sharp with him 'oh that's a nasty question/woman/university/democrat' but doesn't actually respond to the point. Tim does exactly what Ardern says the critics will do... Yup, vehemently caustic, but without a lot of actual real critique.

So maybe he really doesn't have anything? Except vitriol? Which is sad really...

or he can see through the waffle to the lack of any talent, what did she achieve? apart from saving all those people like the covid saint she was

[Oh_hunnihunni]

But heisenberg, that's just it. There's no meat in that piece. Just vitriol. Where's the critique of her failures in governance?

Could he not find any?

[Praktica]

But  heisenberg, that's just it. There's no meat in that piece. Just vitriol. Where's the critique of her failures in governance?

Could he not find any?

Has one of the sources of the unpleasantness aimed at Jacinda just outed himself?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

One of many. Still, not many of them are internationals with the status that lends credibility.

[zqwerty]

Yeah I just don't get the hatred towards Jacinda, at the very least she was adequate as a Prime Minister and I would say she was very much better than adequate.

I don't know what's wrong with the people who seem to not like her but the hatred involved is beyond credibility, there is something else in the background.

Maybe old fashioned bitter and twisted males from the last century hating a young woman who was better at the job than all the old bastards put together.

[Praktica]

Yeah I just don't get the hatred towards Jacinda, at the very least she was adequate as a Prime Minister and I would say she was very much better than adequate.

I don't know what's wrong with the people who seem to not like her but the hatred involved is beyond credibility, there is something else in the background.

Maybe old fashioned bitter and twisted males from the last century hating a young woman who was better at the job than all the old bastards put together.

I think it's the result of many years of women expanding their role in society - insecure men see that as a threat to their status. The right also felt they were robbed of an election victory in 2017, and we know that they are quite prepared to lie, cheat, and fight mean and dirty to get their way.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think there is this idea too that kindness is a weakness, and a government with that as a mainstay is also weak - or possibly communist.

It is though the same kind of thinking behind support for militarisation, for strong border maintenance, for limiting or selecting refugees, and for internal tough on crime stuff. Unfortunately, it also finds the race to personal wealth building admirable, even when it becomes patently a symptom of mental illness, and celebrates othering in order to bolster self esteem.

Lots of things wrong with the way we as a species operate. Thank goodness though we can still be optimists. Even if some days that takes effort.