New sanctions may mean families unable to pay rent

[Lilith7]

In their latest round of beneficiary bashing, our glorious govt may have managed to make it impossible for those they wish to punish - sorry,'sanction' - to be able to keep a roof over their heads...


'Money management' my derriere; this is clearly a kind of punishment.

 And stipulating what someone ona benefit may or may not buy, what shops they're permitted to shop at?? You do have to wonder how much those gleefully setting those 'sanctions' up would enjoy having similar conditions set on their spending...

I'm sure we could all come up with something (sort of,vaguely) appropriate..let's see..ah yes of course.

 No alcohol. At all. Zilch, zip, nada - none for the entire term in parliament. Because that will 'help' them to make well balanced,informed decisions in future...its not that we don't trust them, just that we simply want to 'help' them...


https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/3605102...n-minister


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/536...st-reading

[zqwerty]

Greedy, money grubbing National hypocrites. Let's hope they're gone by Xmas.

[Lilith7]

Greedy, money grubbing National hypocrites.  Let's hope they're gone by Xmas.

That would need a miracle, sadly...lovely thought though.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I think the opposition parties need the time to come together and build the consensus that will allow them to offer a stable coalition platform from which to govern. One of the reasons this one is so unbalanced is they didn't do that work.

[zqwerty]

The National Party doesn't make sure that the wealth of the country goes to the poorer people it makes sure that the wealth goes to the business people.

It makes sure those those who already have money get even more by altering the way the wealth is distributed.

[Lilith7]

I think the opposition parties need the time to come together and build the consensus that will allow them to offer a stable coalition platform from which to govern. One of the reasons this one is so unbalanced is they didn't do that work.

I think they'd best get a move on with that - this lot are a disaster, except for the already wealthy.


ACT is attempting to impose even more Neo Liberalism on us all; they're not to be trusted imo. 

The phrase devious weasels seems apt, since they're not troubling to be open & honest about what they're up to, but instead try to disguise it as 'improvement.'

[Swivel]

Winz is there to help while you find another job, NOT a life style. About time.

[zqwerty]

Don't be so smarmy Swivel, how are all these people in Wellington going to find new jobs?

Wellington loses 11.6 percent of jobs in a year

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/5366...-in-a-year

[Lilith7]

Winz is there to help while you find another job, NOT a life style. About time.

They are, aren't they. NOT about making life even more dificult for those who are already struggling.



I'd really quite like to see all those people who love bashing beneficiaries compelled to try living on a benefit themselves for a few months - it would increase understanding immensely...

[Praktica]

Someone has drunk the ACT kool-aid.

[Swivel]

Winz is there to help while you find another job, NOT a life style. About time.

They are, aren't they. NOT about making life even more dificult for those who are already struggling.



I'd really quite like to see all those people who love bashing beneficiaries compelled to try living on a benefit themselves for a few months - it would increase understanding immensely...

They don't help themselves, they can look for work, but they don't

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Don't be so smarmy Swivel, how are all these people in Wellington going to find new jobs?

Wellington loses 11.6 percent of jobs in a year

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/5366...-in-a-year

They would find new (well they don't work) jobs by LOOKING

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OK, In my street, One lady on the DPB as looking after a child, her 2 sons (Mob) are on the dole, and their partners are there, on the DPB as well as have kids, State house, They Drink and smoke dope all the time, and they get just over $3000 a week from WINZ, rent is $280, Oh they will suffer how ???, Neighbor a few doors down, on the DPB (but kids don't live with her) just over $700 a week, and 250 rent. Yes they will suffer ??????

[Praktica]

They are, aren't they. NOT about making life even more dificult for those who are already struggling.



I'd really quite like to see all those people who love bashing beneficiaries compelled to try living on a benefit themselves for a few months - it would increase understanding immensely...

They don't help themselves, they can look for work, but they don't

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Don't be so smarmy Swivel, how are all these people in Wellington going to find new jobs?

Wellington loses 11.6 percent of jobs in a year

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/5366...-in-a-year

They would find new (well they don't work) jobs by LOOKING

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OK, In my street, One lady on the DPB as looking after a child, her 2 sons (Mob) are on the dole, and their partners are there, on the DPB as well as have kids, State house, They Drink and smoke dope all the time, and they get just over $3000 a week from WINZ, rent is $280, Oh they will suffer how ???, Neighbor a few doors down, on the DPB (but kids don't live with her) just over $700 a week, and 250 rent. Yes they will suffer ??????

So - everybody on a benefit is like that? What would you say if I told you that all ACT and National supporters are small minded racist idiots?

[Lilith7]

They are, aren't they. NOT about making life even more dificult for those who are already struggling.



I'd really quite like to see all those people who love bashing beneficiaries compelled to try living on a benefit themselves for a few months - it would increase understanding immensely...

They don't help themselves, they can look for work, but they don't

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Don't be so smarmy Swivel, how are all these people in Wellington going to find new jobs?

Wellington loses 11.6 percent of jobs in a year

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/5366...-in-a-year

They would find new (well they don't work) jobs by LOOKING

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OK, In my street, One lady on the DPB as looking after a child, her 2 sons (Mob) are on the dole, and their partners are there, on the DPB as well as have kids, State house, They Drink and smoke dope all the time, and they get just over $3000 a week from WINZ, rent is $280, Oh they will suffer how ???, Neighbor a few doors down, on the DPB (but kids don't live with her) just over $700 a week, and 250 rent. Yes they will suffer ??????

Oh, I see.


So then, according to you that therefore means that every person on a benefit is precisely the same..

NO sickness beneficiaries desperately in need of help & support.

 NO people recently made redundant by our delightful govt, struggling to cope on what must seem a miniscule level of income.

NO homeless people trying to survive on the streets.

NO caregivers coping with their physically or mentally impaired children.

Given human nature there will always be those few who manage to work the system; I'd prefer we help those people rather than missing helping someone in desperate need.

Of course...its also very interesting that you seem to know so much about their circumstances. Or not, of course..

[Swivel]

They don't help themselves, they can look for work, but they don't

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They would find new (well they don't work) jobs by LOOKING

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OK, In my street, One lady on the DPB as looking after a child, her 2 sons (Mob) are on the dole, and their partners are there, on the DPB as well as have kids, State house, They Drink and smoke dope all the time, and they get just over $3000 a week from WINZ, rent is $280, Oh they will suffer how ???, Neighbor a few doors down, on the DPB (but kids don't live with her) just over $700 a week, and 250 rent. Yes they will suffer ??????

Oh, I see.
So then, according to you that therefore means that every person on a benefit is precisely the same..
NO sickness beneficiaries desperately in need of help & support.
 NO people recently made redundant by our delightful govt, struggling to cope on what must seem a miniscule level of income.
NO homeless people trying to survive on the streets.
NO caregivers coping with their physically or mentally impaired children.
Given human nature there will always be those few who manage to work the system; I'd prefer we help those people rather than missing helping someone in desperate need.
Of course.. .its also very interesting that you seem to know so much about their circumstances . Or not, of course..

.its also very interesting that you seem to know so much about their circumstances, they are people i know.

OK, I work, $36,000 year, have a daughter that was Prem born (26 weeks) and a wife that had a stroke 9 years ago, I look after them, juggle my bills, own a home (Rates, House / content insurance,  The ones i said gets more than me, and just rent. I Don't get any help with my wife, as we are married. But then i'm White.

Guess you didn't expecting that, did you

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Winz is there to help while you find another job, NOT a life style. About time.

The jobs aren't there. And that state of affairs will only get worse.

Governments deny it, but that is the reality.

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Winz is there to help while you find another job, NOT a life style. About time.

The jobs aren't there. And that state of affairs will only get worse.

Governments deny it, but that is the reality.

I'm white too. Which meant all kinds of privileges, that I am not afraid to acknowledge. And yes, Winz was designed as a safety net, but the reality is that safety net has become an intergenerational support system for people who will never be fully employed, never be adequately educated  or adequately covered by our health system. 

As for the gangs, the only way to deal with that issue to to remove the causes, the social drivers that created them, and maintain them. They exist as a response to social factors - those same factors that make Winz support way more than an emergency alternative. 

Owning a home these days is a huge privilege, and a hideously expensive one. Having a family supported by one income is also a privilege and a burden. Having a job is a privilege, and a burden. Those coins have two sides, just as not having a job, not having a stable family situation, not having a secure home, not having education or good health care - all have two sides. There is a certain freedom in not having those responsibilities, but there is also the terror of not having them.

Would you swap? Would you give up being white, a breadwinner, a family man, your mortgage... and become free of all those responsibilities, but have to live on the dole. Under the Winz thumb? 

I know the answer to that one. Ask yourself that question though. It's that old story, walk a mile in their shoes, don't just judge from the outside.

[zqwerty]

By cutting off benefits and causing people to lose jobs the National Gov is effectively altering the distribution of money across the country, away from poorer people and by means not so obvious into the hands of the businessmen and their mates the Bankers and their ilk.

By supporting the taking away of money from Beneficiaries one is effectively helping the plundering of the natural wealth of the citizens into a select already prosperous effectively pirate groups.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Every western economy depends on a level of sustained unemployment to keep wages low and employers wealthy.

How else do you think the gap between rich and poor is maintained - and increased? The wealth of the very rich has to come from somewhere. From a whole lot of someones.

[zqwerty]

2 or 3% unemployment maybe.

We are being subjected to Austerity Economics by this out of date National Government though to balance the books in their words but which is actually transferring money from the poor to the already rich.

[Lilith7]

Oh, I see.
So then, according to you that therefore means that every person on a benefit is precisely the same..
NO sickness beneficiaries desperately in need of help & support.
 NO people recently made redundant by our delightful govt, struggling to cope on what must seem a miniscule level of income.
NO homeless people trying to survive on the streets.
NO caregivers coping with their physically or mentally impaired children.
Given human nature there will always be those few who manage to work the system; I'd prefer we help those people rather than missing helping someone in desperate need.
Of course.. .its also very interesting that you seem to know so much about their circumstances . Or not, of course..

.its also very interesting that you seem to know so much about their circumstances, they are people i know.

OK, I work, $36,000 year, have a daughter that was Prem born (26 weeks) and a wife that had a stroke 9 years ago, I look after them, juggle my bills, own a home (Rates, House / content insurance,  The ones i said gets more than me, and just rent. I Don't get any help with my wife, as we are married. But then i'm White.

Guess you didn't expecting that, did you

As it happens, I did..... 

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2 or 3% unemployment maybe.

We are being subjected to Austerity Economics by this out of date National Government though to balance the books in their words but which is actually transferring money from the poor to the already rich.

And that is the Neo Liberal way. 
And it helps if they can manage to cause dissent along the way by portraying beneficiaries as being somehow lesser, undeserving, unworthy. And of course those other favourites of Neo Libs when it comes to causing division, gang members & criminals...

That's far easier than looking at & adressing the causes of those things. That's a long term thing, not a quick & easy fix. And other than enriching themselves & their already wealthy mates, they don't really do long term. Not unless there's really seriously big money in it. 
For them, obviously.

 I used to think they wanted to return us all to something like Victorian times, but now I suspect the aim is probably something closer to feudal times.

 And if that isn't plain evil, then what the hell is it.

[zqwerty]

They just want as much wealth as possible for themselves and friends, not worried about the workers and even less the unable to work for whatever reason.