Mark Mitchell wants an end to shorter sentences

[heisenberg]

what causes that then, colonialism ?

you don't feel like we as a society should bare any responsibility for that?  

Colonialism explains it in a crude way, but it was the actions of successive governments between then and now that has shaped society over the last couple of centuries... and we still seem to be  perpetuating the same behaviours that caused this problem we have in the first place...

these people were waging war on each other long before europeans turned up and some of them still do

[Oh_hunnihunni]

So what?

That's the fallback position for many a failed argument. Just because it used to be so does not mean we are doomed to repeat it.

We have examples internationally of better ways to handle corrections. We have plenty of research that backs such programmes up. What we don't have is the progressive political willingness to put such programmes into operation. Some MPs would rather ride the boost from an electorate still living in the past and enjoying old attitudes that make them feel superior over others.

Sad really.

[Lilith7]

How NZ's bank rules make life for ex-prisoners even harder

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5601...ven-harder

Not altogether helpful, if they don't want people to re offend 

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you don't feel like we as a society should bare any responsibility for that?  

Colonialism explains it in a crude way, but it was the actions of successive governments between then and now that has shaped society over the last couple of centuries... and we still seem to be  perpetuating the same behaviours that caused this problem we have in the first place...

these people were waging war on each other long before europeans turned up and some of them still do

Really - "these people?"



Did you forget that our ancestors also waged war on each other?

https://medium.com/war-stories/the-inhum...74db96b010

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Some of us still do. Doesn't make it okay. Does have other benefits though. Otherwise, we wouldn't keep doing it.

[Lilith7]

Some of us still do. Doesn't make it okay. Does have other benefits though. Otherwise, we wouldn't keep doing it.

Yep, uniform manufacturers,arms producers, undertakers all do very well..

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Secondhand helicopter salesmen...

[heisenberg]

How NZ's bank rules make life for ex-prisoners even harder

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/5601...ven-harder

Not altogether helpful, if they don't want people to re offend 

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these people were waging war on each other long before europeans turned up and some of them still do

Really - "these people?"



Did you forget that our ancestors also waged war on each other?

https://medium.com/war-stories/the-inhum...74db96b010

sure they did, who can we blame for that, is there a gravy train for us

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Mmm, now there's a post that betrays the poster, lol...

Transparency. Such a good thing, lol!

[Praktica]

He keeps trying to push those buttons...

[jim157]

He keeps trying to push those buttons...

looks to me like heisenburg has a valid point

[Praktica]

Years ago, I owned a book by a criminologist called Allan Nixon, called A Child's Guide to Crime. One of the things that Nixon discussed in the book was offending by ethnic groups. He made the point that in the 1920s, a disproportionate number of those charged with crimes were of Irish origin, a proportion far higher than their presence in the population. He suggested that if these people had green skin, it might have been suggested that there was a problem specific to the Irish. He suggested that the problem was more one of social class - Irish people at the time being mainly working class.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

He keeps trying to push those buttons...

looks to me like heisenburg has a valid point

Elucidate, please...

[Lilith7]

Years ago, I owned a book by a criminologist called Allan Nixon, called A Child's Guide to Crime. One of the things that Nixon discussed in the book was offending by ethnic groups. He made the point that in the 1920s, a disproportionate number of those charged with crimes were of Irish origin, a proportion far higher than their presence in the population. He suggested that if these people had green skin, it might have been suggested that there was a problem specific to the Irish. He suggested that the problem was more one of social class - Irish people at the time being mainly working class.

That could well be; there was a time in America for example when there were signs on places to let or jobs 'Irish need not apply'.....


We're a strange species..