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[dken31]

The reason I think they'll be a one term government is that National, and particularly Luxon, think they can be "all things to all people" resulting in them effectively being nothing to no-one. Government debt is spiraling out of control, which makes them completely unpalatable to anyone vaguely financially literate, but at the same time they manage to give off strong "austerity government" vibes which turns off anyone left-leaning.

[king1]

Robbing Peter to pay Paul, comes to mind

[heisenberg]

Given this budget & their previous actions I'm now wondering if the plan all along was to be a one term govt, & do as much damage as they could while in office.

Having kicked women in the teeth, they've now gone after both the environment & (predictably) those who are struggling, partly in order to please their donors. How the devil people like this sleep at night is beyond understanding.

ha. what was your opinion of the previous government

[Oh_hunnihunni]

The reason I think they'll be a one term government is that National, and particularly Luxon, think they can be "all things to all people" resulting in them effectively being nothing to no-one.  Government debt is spiraling out of control, which makes them completely unpalatable to anyone vaguely financially literate, but at the same time they manage to give off strong "austerity government" vibes which turns off anyone left-leaning.

Borrowing though, as a government, is not always a bad thing, given the terms and rates available at that level. The trick lies in what that borrowing is spent on. We have lacked infrastructure investment for too long, possibly through conservative thinking, possibly through political self centredness, but the fact is we have fallen behind in technology, in transport, and in basic service facilities.

We need more leadership with guts and imagination, and fewer focused on career and wealth building interests. Locking out lobbyists might help too.

And an age limit wouldn't be a bad thing.  A mandatory retirement age for those frozen in old ways of operating.

[zqwerty]

Big things start with a first step, the right wing is always vulnerable because they are always in the wrong as long as they are only after money, which they always are, they should be planning for all the people in the country to equalize, (the latest new Trump buzz word), the benefits going to all the people in the country not biasing so that money flows you know where.

The right don't like rebellion at any level or degree and there's a fair number of posters on this site who have their ears to the ground and the wool pulled back from their eyes, they see the trees from the forest and they don't like what they see.

Small beginnings need to be nipped in the bud, is my point as their point.

Right wing are pushing the proverbial up hill everyday that's why they are always so edgy and pugnacious like heisenberg, like Luxon and cronies.

heisenberg is always carping on comparing everything to a hidden agenda supposedly his idea of a warped perfection only he knows, I suggest it is a hidden agenda badly disguised and extremely right wing mainly because he is comparing everything to an internal idea of perfection very similar to what the right wing does and that is a drive towards money as it's final objective, lacking in morals or ethics.

[Lilith7]

Given this budget & their previous actions I'm now wondering if the plan all along was to be a one term govt, & do as much damage as they could while in office.

Having kicked women in the teeth, they've now gone after both the environment & (predictably) those who are struggling, partly in order to please their donors. How the devil people like this sleep at night is beyond understanding.

ha. what was your opinion of the previous government

They'd have done better to dismantly Neo Liberalism.

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The reason I think they'll be a one term government is that National, and particularly Luxon, think they can be "all things to all people" resulting in them effectively being nothing to no-one.  Government debt is spiraling out of control, which makes them completely unpalatable to anyone vaguely financially literate, but at the same time they manage to give off strong "austerity government" vibes which turns off anyone left-leaning.

Borrowing though, as a government, is not always a bad thing, given the terms and rates available at that level. The trick lies in what that borrowing is spent on. We have lacked infrastructure investment for too long, possibly through conservative thinking, possibly through political self centredness, but the fact is we have fallen behind in technology, in transport, and in basic service facilities.

We need more leadership with guts and imagination, and fewer focused on career and wealth building interests. Locking out lobbyists might help too.

And an age limit wouldn't be a bad thing.  A mandatory retirement age for those frozen in old ways of operating.

Definitely agree with regard to lobbyists. That situation should have been prevented.

[heisenberg]

Big things start with a first step, the right wing is always vulnerable because they are always in the wrong as long as they are only after money, which they always are, they should be planning for all the people in the country to equalize, (the latest new Trump buzz word), the benefits going to all the people in the country not biasing so that money flows you know where.

The right don't like rebellion at any level or degree and there's a fair number of posters on this site who have their ears to the ground and the wool pulled back from their eyes, they see the trees from the forest and they don't like what they see.

Small beginnings need to be nipped in the bud, is my point as their point.

Right wing are pushing the proverbial up hill everyday that's why they are always so edgy and pugnacious like heisenberg, like Luxon and cronies.

heisenberg is always carping on comparing everything to a hidden agenda supposedly his idea of a warped perfection only he knows, I suggest it is a hidden agenda badly disguised and extremely right wing mainly because he is comparing everything to an internal idea of perfection very similar to what the right wing does and that is a drive towards money as it's final objective, lacking in morals or ethics.

if you dont like it here piss off back to where you came from

[Praktica]

Big things start with a first step, the right wing is always vulnerable because they are always in the wrong as long as they are only after money, which they always are, they should be planning for all the people in the country to equalize, (the latest new Trump buzz word), the benefits going to all the people in the country not biasing so that money flows you know where.

The right don't like rebellion at any level or degree and there's a fair number of posters on this site who have their ears to the ground and the wool pulled back from their eyes, they see the trees from the forest and they don't like what they see.

Small beginnings need to be nipped in the bud, is my point as their point.

Right wing are pushing the proverbial up hill everyday that's why they are always so edgy and pugnacious like heisenberg, like Luxon and cronies.

heisenberg is always carping on comparing everything to a hidden agenda supposedly his idea of a warped perfection only he knows, I suggest it is a hidden agenda badly disguised and extremely right wing mainly because he is comparing everything to an internal idea of perfection very similar to what the right wing does and that is a drive towards money as it's final objective, lacking in morals or ethics.

if you dont like it here piss off back to where you came from

I'd imagine that's what Maori would say to you...

[Lilith7]

Big things start with a first step, the right wing is always vulnerable because they are always in the wrong as long as they are only after money, which they always are, they should be planning for all the people in the country to equalize, (the latest new Trump buzz word), the benefits going to all the people in the country not biasing so that money flows you know where.

The right don't like rebellion at any level or degree and there's a fair number of posters on this site who have their ears to the ground and the wool pulled back from their eyes, they see the trees from the forest and they don't like what they see.

Small beginnings need to be nipped in the bud, is my point as their point.

Right wing are pushing the proverbial up hill everyday that's why they are always so edgy and pugnacious like heisenberg, like Luxon and cronies.

heisenberg is always carping on comparing everything to a hidden agenda supposedly his idea of a warped perfection only he knows, I suggest it is a hidden agenda badly disguised and extremely right wing mainly because he is comparing everything to an internal idea of perfection very similar to what the right wing does and that is a drive towards money as it's final objective, lacking in morals or ethics.

if you dont like it here piss off back to where you came from

Back off - every poster is free to have their say without insults. 


Even those who seem to want only to sow discord...

[zqwerty]

I like it here well enough I just don't like people like you spoiling every ones experience on this site for who knows what weird motives, sheer bloody mindedness, irritability in general, bad past life experiences, relationship breakups, women let you down, no woman in your life, hoping someone will see what a great intellect you are, Incel LOL.

You seem to me like a bad and childish sub-version of myself.

[king1]

Please focus on the issues everyone, not the people.

[heisenberg]

[Deleted: Rules 2a, 2f, 2j & 3]

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I was too. And, have a parent who shed blood in active military duty for this country I consider myself tangata whenua, by right. And, weirdly, I discovered by traveling overseas, that this land is part of me. I can be away from it for about three weeks before I start to get really discombobulated. Homesick for the smell of it, the familiarities of it, the taste and tones of its air and water, the sounds of its people, its birds, and its life patterns.

As I flew into San Francisco, the cliffs were the same cliffs I flew away from, the weather was similar, the pines and even the pohutukawa at Golden Bay Park all spoke of home. It was a physical thing that I didn't feel on the other coast, or in Europe, or the Middle East, or Australia.

The longer I live the deeper this land puts its roots into me. It is a real thing, and I love it. Trash it in front of me, at your peril, lol...

[zqwerty]

heisenberg 3..2..1..Gone

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Taking pride in that then are you?

Sad.

[king1]

Heisenberg certainly added to the discussion, we need as many viewpoints as possible otherwise it becomes a hollow echo chamber.

Hopefully he will come back with a less confrontational tone and focus on issues and reasoned debate - I would like to think that is what we all want...

and some of us need to stop biting, when someone is fishing...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Diversity is important. I am opposed to getting rid of someone just because they are confrontational. If someone gets on my wick I ignore them.

But then I don't mind being challenged, I don't find that a threat to my ego.

[zqwerty]

He should go and spout his nonsense somewhere else other than this forum. He found the perfect soft target until it wasn't.

I disagree with you sometimes Oh_hunnihunni but I hold my tongue because I know you are sincere and authentic and genuinely post your deep thoughts about existence in general but heisenberg was not at all that a lot of the time, he was just being disruptive.

I love your descriptions of the world around you, the colours, shapes, sounds and smells and the impressions you get from their impinging on your experienced consciousness.

I really dislike squabbling over things, it's so petty, which he was doing a lot of the time.

My maternal grandfather was one of the first Time and Motion study experts in England maybe that is where my nit-pickyness comes from?

A successful businessman owing a chain of Tobacco and Sweet shops around the lower part of England built up over time, bicycle deliveries to the branches.

He used to buy the newest models of cars and caravans when they came out, he had a bit of money, and my mother used to tell me her recollection of riding in a big car that had bar stools for the back passengers, with a frilled tarpaulin roof whilst they were driven around. I was skeptical of course but she was adamant that it had happened.

One day long after my Dad had died and I was driving around a route on a journey in Chch with my mother at 90 years old, I decided to take an obscure route to make the journey interesting, as I always did, we came off Ferry Road and suddenly she started shouting "stop, stop, stop, there it is", and sure enough there was the vehicle she had described many times with the bar stool seats etc parked on the side of a road outside a small garage. LOL. We got out and had a good look and talked to the man who owned it.