Woke attempting to block woman's rights activist entering NZ

[harm_less]

From our new online radio station RealityCheck.Radio ~
Former University lecturer and author Dr Greg Clydesdale, believes woke ideology is now so ingrained in our establishment that it represents a major threat to Western values and New Zealand’s future: 
“A number of writers have noted that the woke ideology is now so entrenched in our institutions that it presents a genuine threat to Western culture.  The term ‘woke’ had origins that I personally support, that is alertness ‘to racial prejudice and discrimination’.  However, over time, those bearing the ‘woke’ label have adopted more extreme positions.  It is now associated with intolerance and over-righteous zealots who believe they are morally superior. 
Dr Clydesdale explains that universities “play a leading role” in nurturing this destructive ideology, which is then transmitted to the media, education and other institutions. He outlines why the woke bias is so dangerous: from the corruption of knowledge – “I have met students coming out of teacher’s college who did not know that Maori were cannibals and took slaves, but they knew a long list of bad things that the colonial government had done”, to the refusal to publish research they disagree with.

Not the most reliable information source it would seem: https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/07-03-202...m-too-woke

A Google search of Dr Greg Clydesdale turns up an interesting collection of his numerous disagreements with current ideologies. Serial anti-wokester?

[C_T_Russell]

Okay, so where does a male transitioned or transitioning into female go to use a toilet? Or to change into gym gear?

The Mens loo? Knowing how aggressive straight men can be I would be strongly advising them to avoid that at all costs.

The reality is, when it comes to safety for women and children, straight men are the obvious danger. And trust me, we know it all too well.

Well I would like to think so, but sadly there is a great deal of pedophiles that are homosexual too. I dont want to be stereotypical here, but I know first hand of victims that took their own lives in the cult I grew up in.
We are talking about filthy old men attacking young boys, and yes the reverse happens too, but its wrong to think that straight men are the "obvious" danger, thats discrimination. The fact is that both straight and homosexual people can be a danger, not one group is any more or less at risk. Of course the cult I belonged to was totally anti-gay and labelled them as pedos which is not the case at all.
Now you can obviously see how this could be an issue for exploitation as discussed earlier when such an attacker may pretend to be trans and exploit these situations?
This cult is also is a registered charity in NZ and allows their hateful homophobic propaganda videos to be shown to their kids.
That is far more concern than this woman who is standing up for womans rights.

That 'interview' was discraceful. The Sky woman allowed the woman to interject over both the other interviewee and herself. The interviewed woman's manner and lack of respect for the others involved says far more about her than what she is actually saying. Reactionary and antagonistic for reasons of self-promotion it would appear.

I found that guy quite deluded if you ask me.
Anyway, she said in the interview that she doesnt hate trandgender people, she just disagrees that transgender men are a woman. She is 100% correct.
Im all for inclusiveness and respect, but im not happy with the direction things are going.
Castrating boys as she puts it, is the truth and while that sounds harsh, its the reality.
This is the message she is putting out there and remember there are kids that go on to later regret it in life when they are adults. There are plenty of interviews of such ones that are now campaigning against this.
Schools are not the place for educating children on this topic either, leave it to the parents.

Edit: common sense prevails by immigration NZ:
It comes as Immigration NZ (INZ) finalised their review of the controversial anti-trans speaker's entry into the country, saying: “there is no reason to believe that she is, or is likely to be, a threat or risk to the public order or public interest".
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/23/posie...-activist/

[king1]

Okay, so where does a male transitioned or transitioning into female go to use a toilet? Or to change into gym gear?

The Mens loo? Knowing how aggressive straight men can be I would be strongly advising them to avoid that at all costs.

The reality is, when it comes to safety for women and children, straight men are the obvious danger. And trust me, we know it all too well.

Well I would like to think so, but sadly there is a great deal of pedophiles that are homosexual too. I dont want to be stereotypical here, but I know first hand of victims that took their own lives in the cult I grew up in.
We are talking about filthy old men attacking young boys, and yes the reverse happens too, but its wrong to think that straight men are the "obvious" danger, thats discrimination. The fact is that both straight and homosexual people can be a danger, not one group is any more or less at risk. Of course the cult I belonged to was totally anti-gay and labelled them as pedos which is not the case at all.
Now you can obviously see how this could be an issue for exploitation as discussed earlier when such an attacker may pretend to be trans and exploit these situations?
This cult is also is a registered charity in NZ and allows their hateful homophobic propaganda videos to be shown to their kids.
That is far more concern than this woman who is standing up for womans rights.

That 'interview' was discraceful. The Sky woman allowed the woman to interject over both the other interviewee and herself. The interviewed woman's manner and lack of respect for the others involved says far more about her than what she is actually saying. Reactionary and antagonistic for reasons of self-promotion it would appear.

I found that guy quite deluded if you ask me.
Anyway, she said in the interview that she doesnt hate trandgender people, she just disagrees that transgender men are a woman. She is 100% correct.
Im all for inclusiveness and respect, but im not happy with the direction things are going.
Castrating boys as she puts it, is the truth and while that sounds harsh, its the reality.
This is the message she is putting out there and remember there are kids that go on to later regret it in life when they are adults. There are plenty of interviews of such ones that are now campaigning against this.
Schools are not the place for educating children on this topic either, leave it to the parents.

Edit: common sense prevails by immigration NZ:
It comes as Immigration NZ (INZ) finalised their review of the controversial anti-trans speaker's entry into the country, saying: “there is no reason to believe that she is, or is likely to be, a threat or risk to the public order or public interest".
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/23/posie...-activist/

I'm surprised at your intolerance CT given that you grew up in that 'cult' that specialised in it and you now recognize all that is bad about it.

The difference here is choice and free will (closely aligned to free speech) - which can be summarised as...

If some bloke wants to be have his knackers knackered, and live his life as a female, then who are you or I to say they can't, by imposing our own beliefs and values upon themselves...

You say you are all for inclusiveness and respect but i'm not seeing a lot of it here. and that lady saying she is only standing up for women's rights is just laughable - many people find it very easy to lie to themselves about their real motivations are, so not surprising...

People usually have two reasons for saying/doing something - the reason that sounds good, and their real reason...

[Lilith7]

If so then how about posting a link to her "speaking the truth" rather than expecting us to take your opinion of its content as fact? The support she is eliciting from far right groups such as those demonstrating at her Melbourne event would seem to indicate an unhealthy version of 'the truth'.

Ive already posted a link earlier on the first page.
Tell me whats so hateful about what she is saying.
She just wants women to be woman and not some guys get entitled to the same rights as woman because of the way they dress and/or identify themselves.
As already discussed here, the example of a male being allowed to use a woman's toilet or changing room should be cause for concern.

WomAn=ONE woman, womEn, MORE than one woman. Exactly as for Man & mEn; singular & plural. 
You're welcome. 

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Okay, so where does a male transitioned or transitioning into female go to use a toilet? Or to change into gym gear?

The Mens loo? Knowing how aggressive straight men can be I would be strongly advising them to avoid that at all costs.

The reality is, when it comes to safety for women and children, straight men are the obvious danger. And trust me, we know it all too well.

Well I would like to think so, but sadly there is a great deal of pedophiles that are homosexual too. I dont want to be stereotypical here, but I know first hand of victims that took their own lives in the cult I grew up in.
We are talking about filthy old men attacking young boys, and yes the reverse happens too, but its wrong to think that straight men are the "obvious" danger, thats discrimination. The fact is that both straight and homosexual people can be a danger, not one group is any more or less at risk. Of course the cult I belonged to was totally anti-gay and labelled them as pedos which is not the case at all.
Now you can obviously see how this could be an issue for exploitation as discussed earlier when such an attacker may pretend to be trans and exploit these situations?
This cult is also is a registered charity in NZ and allows their hateful homophobic propaganda videos to be shown to their kids.
That is far more concern than this woman who is standing up for womans rights.

That 'interview' was discraceful. The Sky woman allowed the woman to interject over both the other interviewee and herself. The interviewed woman's manner and lack of respect for the others involved says far more about her than what she is actually saying. Reactionary and antagonistic for reasons of self-promotion it would appear.

I found that guy quite deluded if you ask me.
Anyway, she said in the interview that she doesnt hate trandgender people, she just disagrees that transgender men are a woman. She is 100% correct.
Im all for inclusiveness and respect, but im not happy with the direction things are going.
Castrating boys as she puts it, is the truth and while that sounds harsh, its the reality.
This is the message she is putting out there and remember there are kids that go on to later regret it in life when they are adults. There are plenty of interviews of such ones that are now campaigning against this.
Schools are not the place for educating children on this topic either, leave it to the parents.

Edit: common sense prevails by immigration NZ:
It comes as Immigration NZ (INZ) finalised their review of the controversial anti-trans speaker's entry into the country, saying: “there is no reason to believe that she is, or is likely to be, a threat or risk to the public order or public interest".
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/23/posie...-activist/

"Well I would like to think so, but sadly there is a great deal of pedophiles that are homosexual too."


NO, there are not.
 The 'paedophile gays' idea is a complete lie put about by American right wing people who call themselves Christians. Its been used to deliberately discredit gay people & spread fear & hatred against them.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/...s-debunked

"Ever since born-again singer and orange juice pitchwoman Anita Bryant helped kick off the contemporary anti-gay movement some 40 years ago, hard-line elements of the religious right have been searching for ways to demonize gay people — or, at a minimum, to find arguments that will prevent their normalization in society. For the former Florida beauty queen and her Save Our Children group, it was the alleged plans of gay men and lesbians to "recruit" in schools that provided the fodder for their crusade. But in addition to hawking that myth, the legions of anti-gay activists who followed have added a panoply of others, ranging from the extremely doubtful claim that sexual orientation is a choice, to unalloyed lies like the claims that gay men molest children far more than heterosexuals or that hate crime laws will lead to the legalization of bestiality and necrophilia." 

[C_T_Russell]

Well I would like to think so, but sadly there is a great deal of pedophiles that are homosexual too. I dont want to be stereotypical here, but I know first hand of victims that took their own lives in the cult I grew up in.
We are talking about filthy old men attacking young boys, and yes the reverse happens too, but its wrong to think that straight men are the "obvious" danger, thats discrimination. The fact is that both straight and homosexual people can be a danger, not one group is any more or less at risk. Of course the cult I belonged to was totally anti-gay and labelled them as pedos which is not the case at all.
Now you can obviously see how this could be an issue for exploitation as discussed earlier when such an attacker may pretend to be trans and exploit these situations?
This cult is also is a registered charity in NZ and allows their hateful homophobic propaganda videos to be shown to their kids.
That is far more concern than this woman who is standing up for womans rights.



I found that guy quite deluded if you ask me.
Anyway, she said in the interview that she doesnt hate trandgender people, she just disagrees that transgender men are a woman. She is 100% correct.
Im all for inclusiveness and respect, but im not happy with the direction things are going.
Castrating boys as she puts it, is the truth and while that sounds harsh, its the reality.
This is the message she is putting out there and remember there are kids that go on to later regret it in life when they are adults. There are plenty of interviews of such ones that are now campaigning against this.
Schools are not the place for educating children on this topic either, leave it to the parents.

Edit: common sense prevails by immigration NZ:
It comes as Immigration NZ (INZ) finalised their review of the controversial anti-trans speaker's entry into the country, saying: “there is no reason to believe that she is, or is likely to be, a threat or risk to the public order or public interest".
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/23/posie...-activist/

I'm surprised at your intolerance CT given that you grew up in that 'cult' that specialised in it and you now recognize all that is bad about it.

The difference here is choice and free will (closely aligned to free speech) - which can be summarised as...

If some bloke wants to be have his knackers knackered, and live his life as a female, then who are you or I to say they can't, by imposing our own beliefs and values upon themselves...

You say you are all for inclusiveness and respect but i'm not seeing a lot of it here.  and that lady saying she is only standing up for women's rights is just laughable -  many people find it very easy to lie to themselves about their real motivations are, so not surprising... 

People usually have two reasons for saying/doing something - the reason that sounds good, and their real reason...

If your born a woman, you are always a woman no matter what procedure you have done, what clothes you wear, etc, same goes if you are guy, you can dress how you want and go under the knife, but it doesnt change the fact who you are.
It gets to the point where this is being done to minors that are not yet at an adult age where they can make a properly informed decision.
Things like gender based toilets are an issue as discussed here, thats what im getting at.
Its actually physically impossible to give such ones the same rights that a biological female has, its impossible and unfair to genuine biological women.
Think of competitive sports as an example, even worse is beauty pageants. Where does it end?
Im all for inclusiveness, but unfortunately you have to draw a line and thats the price you have to pay.
And we should also discuss those that do regret having surgery, hormone treatment and other procedures. There have been several interviewed.

[Wainuiguy]

Meanwhile World Athletics makes a great call:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sp...pp-android

Hopefully the International Swimming Committee and Olympic committee will do the same.

[king1]

The last paragraph in that article says 

For differences in sex development (DSD) athletes, the new regulations will require to reduce their testosterone levels below a limit of 2.5 nmol/L for a minimum of 24 months to compete internationally in the female category in any event, not just the events that were restricted (400m to 1600m) under the previous regulations.

So I wonder if that is possible for the trans athletes ?  are they able to manipulate their testosterone levels?  If so then it's not really a ban, but setting defined limits, which can only be a good thing...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Gender reassignment surgeries on infants and children have been done in this country for decades. In fact we were world leaders in this procedure. Check out Dr Money and his legacy.

The only real life case I know of was a baby born hermaphrodite thirty years ago, who was assigned female by her parents choice, and raised as female. She is a partner in a committed lesbian relationship and has been since coming out at 16...

Gender is more than biological sex.

[Kenj]

Interesting thought.... Do any women who have changed their gender compete in mens sports?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Interesting thought.... Do any women who have changed their gender compete in mens sports?

I can't think of any, but my built in biases suggest if there were the men would be screaming just as loudly as women do now, lol.

We are all territorial when it comes to competition and level playing fields...

Long article, but interesting -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgen..._in_sports

[harm_less]

Interesting thought.... Do any women who have changed their gender compete in mens sports?

A variety of transgender sportspeople of both gender switches: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/25-tran...ould-know/

[Lilith7]

Perhaps it might be fairest to simply also have a trans category for competitive sports events, as well as those for male & female.

[C_T_Russell]

Meanwhile World Athletics makes a great call:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sp...pp-android

Hopefully the International Swimming Committee and Olympic committee will do the same.

Common sense prevails thankfully.
I believe other sporting authorities are going by the age someone undergoes hormone treatment, i.e if someone undergoes hormone treatment before the age of ~16 then they can still qualify competing against women as they have not fully developed male traits through puberty, although even 16 is probably a bit late, but its a good compromise.

The last paragraph in that article says 

For differences in sex development (DSD) athletes, the new regulations will require to reduce their testosterone levels below a limit of 2.5 nmol/L for a minimum of 24 months to compete internationally in the female category in any event, not just the events that were restricted (400m to 1600m) under the previous regulations.

So I wonder if that is possible for the trans athletes ?  are they able to manipulate their testosterone levels?  If so then it's not really a ban, but setting defined limits, which can only be a good thing...

Its not just testosterone levels, but how much muscle was developed prior to hormone thearpy, also other male traits can be advantageous, like length of legs, etc. I think thats why they seem to be settling on the age of around 16 as a cuttoff point for hormone treatment to begin.

Perhaps it might be fairest to simply also have a trans category for competitive sports events, as well as those for male & female.

I think this would be a good option.

[Lilith7]

It didn't go well for Pansy Parker.
I do think they should have allowed her to speak though, despite disagreeing with her views. She's saying that it was 'shameful' for NZ. I tend to think its shameful for someone to try to stir up anti trans & gay feelings in someone else's country. And I think its seriously shameful to have support from the boys in little black shorts to do that, as happened in Oz.


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3008390...o-go-ahead

[king1]

It didn't go well for Pansy Parker.
I do think they should have allowed her to speak though, despite disagreeing with her views. She's saying that it was 'shameful' for NZ. I tend to think its shameful for someone to try to stir up anti trans & gay feelings in someone else's country. And I think its seriously shameful to have support from the boys in little black shorts to do that, as happened in Oz.


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3008390...o-go-ahead

I love that second photo, she looks truely in shock from what just happened...
A good day to be a New Zealander...

Now what would really top off the day is if she packed up her bags and scurried off to her tiny little hole in Ausland

[Olive]

I watched the live streams and I'm incredibly proud of the way the anti-terf community behaved. It was wonderful to see that ghastly grifter be escorted away, hopefully straight to the international airport to go back to where she came from.

[king1]

The British activist - widely labelled as anti-trans - was seen checking into an Emirates flight about 6.30pm.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-park...JES2GDHB4/

There is a Qantas flight (partner airline) to Melbourne at 8pm out of Auckland so I'm hoping she might have tucked her tail between her legs and scampered... assuming she is heading back to aus...

[harm_less]

An interesting video taken by Posie Parker so seen from her perspective of the event in Auckland. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RBbZTS6...k-nX2/view
Not attempting to calm the crowd by any means it seems. A few of the 'OK' style Nazi hand signals amongst the crowd there so prevention of allowing PP to speak was all to the good in that respect. Plenty of vocal abuse, from both sides, but no actual violence evident.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Don't let the door hit ya in the bum, Poser Parker...

I love this country.

Now, about that Tamaki couple...

[C_T_Russell]

Absolutely disgusted to see how she was treated by fellow kiwis.
This rainbow community is supposed to be all about inclusiveness but we see her treated with violence from these same people because they disagree with her.
Let her speak and hear what she wants to say!
She doesn't hate transgender woman, she just doesn't believe they are women.
I 100% agree with her. It's not hate speech, it's pure facts, but it seems this minority can't deal with the truth.
20 years ago we wouldn't have even needed someone like her to stand up for woman's rights and wouldn't have faced such abuse either, in fact she would have had the publics support.

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Interesting thought.... Do any women who have changed their gender compete in mens sports?

There are probably examples, but I bet it's way less because they know they have less competitive advantage.