James Shaw resigns

[Oh_hunnihunni]

If her facts do not stand up to scrutiny, feel free to show us how...

[Wainuiguy]

1 interview?  Did u have that saved for your pleasure bank so you can go back again and again?

Just one of many examples that came up in a search for Swarbrick vs. Seymour. At least I provided something to back up my claim, unlike those that just pull opinions out of their arse with no supporting content.

Well opinions are like arseholes

[C_T_Russell]

Bit of a shame about James Shaw resigning. He was the only green MP I held some level of respect for, even if I disagreed with his views on climate change or his dishonesty about his qualifications.
There has been some speculation for a while now about a power grab going on in the green party and a potential coup.
It appears that James was pressured to stand down rather than let the others overthrow him.
Won't be surprised if Chloe becomes their next co-leader, but the public should be very concerned.

She was very clear about her intentions on her interview on newstalk zb today.

[harm_less]

She was very clear about her intentions on her interview on newstalk zb today.

Are you able to post a link or do we just take your word and opinion on that?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Nah, not able...

I know folk are not used to transparency in politics, but they better get used to it -

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politi...signation/

[Lilith7]

Nah, not able...

I know folk are not used to transparency in politics, but they better get used to it  -

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politi...signation/

She's not wrong. An excellent start would be to remove the divisive & damaging Neoliberal system, have higher taxes to as far as possible cover such things as health,education welfare.

[C_T_Russell]

She was very clear about her intentions on her interview on newstalk zb today.

Are you able to post a link or do we just take your word and opinion on that?

You really need to listen to the talkback more.
But luckily for you I found it.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/211-heath...147217240/

What she describes here is communism.
The greens are a communist party, they have long diverged from their days as a bunch of good well meaning hippies to now a bunch of woke communists.

Now I do agree with her that capitalism is broken, but her solution is not the answer.
She talks about universal basic income, this reaks of the world economic forums great reset.
"You will own nothing and be happy."

They already got people used to the idea during covid.
The far left want to reward people who don't work, it will in turn lead to a dumbed down population dependent on the state.
When they eventually wake up it will be too late.

[harm_less]

Are you able to post a link or do we just take your word and opinion on that?

You really need to listen to the talkback more.

HDPA. You have to be fucken joking. That South African perspective is a health hazard.

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Are you able to post a link or do we just take your word and opinion on that?

You really need to listen to the talkback more.

HDPA. You have to be fucken joking. That South African perspective is a health hazard, as is NewsTrashZB in general.

[C_T_Russell]

You really need to listen to the talkback more.

HDPA. You have to be fucken joking. That South African perspective is a health hazard.

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You really need to listen to the talkback more.

HDPA. You have to be fucken joking. That South African perspective is a health hazard, as is NewsTrashZB in general.

Who gives a shit what HDPA has to say.
I care about what Chloe was saying.
She seemed pretty proud about it too not even afraid to talk about such ridiculous garbage.
The fact is that the greens are the most dangerous party in this country, and that people vote for them makes me concerned about the mental health of the population.
I hope for their sake that most green voters are just ignorant about their policies.

[Lilith7]

Are you able to post a link or do we just take your word and opinion on that?

You really need to listen to the talkback more.
But luckily for you I found it.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/211-heath...147217240/

What she describes here is communism.
The greens are a communist party, they have long diverged from their days as a bunch of good well meaning hippies to now a bunch of woke communists.

Now I do agree with her that capitalism is broken, but her solution is not the answer.
She talks about universal basic income, this reaks of the world economic forums great reset.
"You will own nothing and be happy."

They already got people used to the idea during covid.
The far left want to reward people who don't work, it will in turn lead to a dumbed down population dependent on the state.
When they eventually wake up it will be too late.

You seem obssessed with communism. The Greens & Labour are left of centre; that doesn't make them 'communist' any more than ACT & National being on the right of centre makes them  'fascist.'

HDA is on the right politically, so not unbiased...
Neoliberals  want an end to healthcare for poor people,want an end to unemployment benefits - or indeed any type of benefit at all. That's because they're greed based & can't bear the thought that anyone they see as 'not wanting to work' might get sufficient money to actually survive. 
These people lack empathy & any shred of social conscience & wouldn't mind if conditions for working people returned to 19th century conditions. They've made a good start...

God to Hungry Child

by Langston Hughes



Hungry child,

I didn't make this world for you.

You didn't buy any stock in my railroad.

You didn't invest in my corporation.

Where are your shares in standard oil?

I made the world for the rich

And the will-be-rich

And the have-always-been-rich.
Not for you,

[harm_less]

HDPA. You have to be fucken joking. That South African perspective is a health hazard.

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HDPA. You have to be fucken joking. That South African perspective is a health hazard, as is NewsTrashZB in general.

Who gives a shit what HDPA has to say.
I care about what Chloe was saying.
She seemed pretty proud about it too not even afraid to talk about such ridiculous garbage.
The fact is that the greens are the most dangerous party in this country, and that people vote for them makes me concerned about the mental health of the population.
I hope for their sake that most green voters are just ignorant about their policies.

Having listened to that interview I can't see too much wrong with the ideas that Chloe was suggesting. A more even distribution in this country's wealth is not "ridiculous garbage", it is creation of a society that is fair to more of us than presently.

Your suggesting that the Greens are dangerous and anyone who considers voting for them is mentally unwell says more about your state of mind than that of Green voters. And there is definitely ignorance at play but not where you're suggesting it is.

[Lilith7]

Who gives a shit what HDPA has to say.
I care about what Chloe was saying.
She seemed pretty proud about it too not even afraid to talk about such ridiculous garbage.
The fact is that the greens are the most dangerous party in this country, and that people vote for them makes me concerned about the mental health of the population.
I hope for their sake that most green voters are just ignorant about their policies.

Having listened to that interview I can't see too much wrong with the ideas that Chloe was suggesting. A more even distribution in this country's wealth is not "ridiculous garbage", it is creation of a society that is fair to more of us than presently.

Your suggesting that the Greens are dangerous and anyone who considers voting for them is mentally unwell says more about your state of mind than that of Green voters. And there is definitely ignorance at play but not where you're suggesting it is.

'A more even distribution' is after all, what we once had in this country & some others which have had Neoliberalism imposed on them.

We didnt tend to have people begging in the streets then, nor homeless people, & everyone was able to access healthcare. Most countries which suffered the same fate were similar, & now are similar to the disaster we now have in Aotearoa NZ.

A while ago I read an article claiming that greed is a mental illness & I still wonder whether it is. It certainly does massive damage when taken to extremes

[Oh_hunnihunni]

You know ct, if the world 'reset' as you call it, and gave up war mongering, and the pursuit of excessive personal wealth, we could raise every human being up to a standard of living some of us take for granted, and millions of us dream of. Add to that universal education, universal healthcare, and the advances humanity would make and the reset seems logical, not something to be feared.

As for communism, what do you actually know about communism? And do you fear the ideology? The political structure? Or what several megalomaniacs have done to and exploited those in order to raise themselves over the people the system is designed to support? The ideas are not something to be feared, what some monstrous human beings have done with them, well, that's another matter.

Btw, I have made it clear here I am a Green voter and a long term Chloe supporter. I really object to your attempts to gaslight me and those like me with your statements about our mental health. Frankly, I'll happily put my mind, my education, (versus your ignorance), my life experience, and my understanding of human beings up against yours any day. Just name the date...

[Lilith7]

You know ct, if the world 'reset' as you call it, and gave up war mongering, and the pursuit of excessive personal wealth, we could raise every human being up to a standard of living some of us take for granted, and millions of us dream of. Add to that universal education, universal healthcare, and the advances humanity would make  and the reset seems logical, not something to be feared.

As for communism, what do you actually know about communism? And do you fear the ideology? The political structure? Or what several megalomaniacs have done to and exploited those in order to raise themselves over the people the system is designed to support? The ideas are not something to be feared, what some monstrous human beings have done with them, well, that's another matter.

Btw, I have made it clear here I am a Green voter and a long term Chloe supporter. I really object to your attempts to gaslight me and those like me with your statements about our mental health. Frankly, I'll happily put my mind, my education, (versus your ignorance), my life experience, and my understanding of human beings up against yours any day. Just name the date...

Well said, agreed.
 The systems are not neccesarily wrong or bad, but they depend on the types of humans who put them into practice. The Nordic countries manage very well with their mix of socialism & capitalism & despite high taxes,have the happiest people in the world, year after year.

[dken31]

When people use "Nordic countries" as proof that high taxes / socialism is the answer to NZ's struggles, they generally overlook two extremely important factors: 1. Nordic countries are rich in natural resources (which they're happy to extract) and 2. they're (comparatively) extremely ethnically homogeneous.

Despite the repeated parroting over the past 20+ years of "our diversity is our strength", every single serious study on the matter proves the exact opposite. As a society gets more diverse, social trust, community and political engagement, the willingness of people to donate their time or money to community causes all suffers. The division and "tribalism" gets worse if resources get more scarce.

So, whereas overseas fans of the Nordic model like to suggest that they're all happy and prosperous because they have high taxes and generous social services, it is actually the other way around. I.e. They're happy to accept the high taxes and are willing to fund generous social services because they happy and prosperous (and feel a far stronger connection to the people that their high taxes are helping to support).

[zqwerty]

Isn't that what the Treaty of Waitangi was written to achieve, trust between Pakeha and Maori?

"The Treaty of Waitangi was signed in 1840. It was an agreement between the British Crown and a large number of Māori chiefs. Today the Treaty is widely accepted to be a constitutional document that establishes and guides the relationship between the Crown (the Government of New Zealand) and Māori"

National coalition and their ilk are damaging hard won understanding between the races.

[Lilith7]

When people use "Nordic countries" as proof that high taxes / socialism is the answer to NZ's struggles, they generally overlook two extremely important factors: 1. Nordic countries are rich in natural resources (which they're happy to extract) and 2. they're (comparatively) extremely ethnically homogeneous. 

Despite the repeated parroting over the past 20+ years of "our diversity is our strength", every single serious study on the matter proves the exact opposite.  As a society gets more diverse, social trust, community and political engagement, the willingness of people to donate their time or money to community causes all suffers.  The division and "tribalism" gets worse if resources get more scarce.

So, whereas overseas fans of the Nordic model like to suggest that they're all happy and prosperous because they have high taxes and generous social services, it is actually the other way around.  I.e. They're happy to accept the high taxes and are willing to fund generous social services because they happy and prosperous (and feel a far stronger connection to the people that their high taxes are helping to support).

I think most of us understand that Nordic countries have resources we haven't got & that if we are to follow their example, it would only be as far as is possible for this country. And theirs is a mix of socilaism  & capitalism.
But even that would be an improvement on the present situation.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

When people use "Nordic countries" as proof that high taxes / socialism is the answer to NZ's struggles, they generally overlook two extremely important factors: 1. Nordic countries are rich in natural resources (which they're happy to extract) and 2. they're (comparatively) extremely ethnically homogeneous. 

Despite the repeated parroting over the past 20+ years of "our diversity is our strength", every single serious study on the matter proves the exact opposite.  As a society gets more diverse, social trust, community and political engagement, the willingness of people to donate their time or money to community causes all suffers.  The division and "tribalism" gets worse if resources get more scarce.

So, whereas overseas fans of the Nordic model like to suggest that they're all happy and prosperous because they have high taxes and generous social services, it is actually the other way around.  I.e. They're happy to accept the high taxes and are willing to fund generous social services because they happy and prosperous (and feel a far stronger connection to the people that their high taxes are helping to support).

And some are fostering that division, from the top. Strangely enough, those of us out here are just getting on with it. Making coffee coloured New Zealanders, few of whom have any idea what that lot are on about. Nor do they really care...

[C_T_Russell]

Having listened to that interview I can't see too much wrong with the ideas that Chloe was suggesting. A more even distribution in this country's wealth is not "ridiculous garbage", it is creation of a society that is fair to more of us than presently.

Your suggesting that the Greens are dangerous and anyone who considers voting for them is mentally unwell says more about your state of mind than that of Green voters. And there is definitely ignorance at play but not where you're suggesting it is.

The ideology of wealth distribution, I.e taking from the rich and giving to the poor is what we see in communist countries if you study history.
Take a look at Marxism and then what the WEF are proposing.
Long term, it's failed, and the so called elite in these situations always live it up at the expense of those at the bottom, don't for one minute think that you will own nothing and be happy, you will be at the mercy of the state, dependent on them.
Don't complain if insects are all you get on your dinner plate.

How do they fund this proposed universal basic income?
Wealth tax? Do you think its fair that some retired pensioner in Auckland should have to pay that just because their property is worth millions decades after purchasing it?
Or how about a couple paying off a huge mortgage who would also have to pay this?
Doesn't seem sustainable and Dave seymour was saying that the greens response was to just get a reverse mortgage. What a joke, like its not hard enough for these ones to pay their rates among other bills.
What's your definition of wealth? Huge difference between multibillion dollar corporations and those who own a property.

You know ct, if the world 'reset' as you call it, and gave up war mongering, and the pursuit of excessive personal wealth, we could raise every human being up to a standard of living some of us take for granted, and millions of us dream of. Add to that universal education, universal healthcare, and the advances humanity would make  and the reset seems logical, not something to be feared.

As for communism, what do you actually know about communism? And do you fear the ideology? The political structure? Or what several megalomaniacs have done to and exploited those in order to raise themselves over the people the system is designed to support? The ideas are not something to be feared, what some monstrous human beings have done with them, well, that's another matter.

Btw, I have made it clear here I am a Green voter and a long term Chloe supporter. I really object to your attempts to gaslight me and those like me with your statements about our mental health. Frankly, I'll happily put my mind, my education, (versus your ignorance), my life experience, and my understanding of human beings up against yours any day. Just name the date...

Well im sorry if you took that the wrong way, I didn't suggest you are mentally unwell at all.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and accept you are one of the countless ones who is not fully informed on their ridiculous policies.
Do you know the greens want to get rid of prisons and let the criminals out?
No sane person would vote for a party that promotes that, even I didn't realize that was one of their policies until fairly recently.
You should be running a mile after learning this.
It's clear the left are soft on crime, we have seen evidence with the ram raids and one of their own MPs shoplifting and look what's going on in the US right now, criminals flooding the border.
I can't believe how brainwashed people are to sit by and let this happen.
I'm all for a global reset, but nothing close to what the greens or the WEF are proposing.
You will still be controlled by mega multibillion dollars corporations who will have more control over your lives because they will be the ones funding the shitshow it will become.
The WEF is pure evil and anyone who is aligned closely to them is in the same boat.
We need a grassroots movement from the bottom up, not from the top down.
More autonomy is needed on a local level, and on a global scale, these huge corporations that run the show need to die off. They know their days are numbered and I suspect they are throwing everything at it to stay in power.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I do want our prisons vastly reorganised. Did you know most of those inside have difficulty with reading and writing, have clear evidence of untreated mental health issues, and are the victims of intergenerational institutionalisation? We aren't rehabilitating, we are generating new inmates simply by allowing these places to exist. The Scandinavians have a better system, research it and see how much we could improve our own. Soft on crine? We create it by continuing these archaic methods of so called justice.

Just because many disagree with you does not mean we are brainwashed, or ignorant, or not sane, as you put it. It never occurs to you that those countless ones might be right, and you might be the one brainwashed, ignorant, or not sane - but really? To be a balanced thinker, a critical balanced thinker, that is the possibility we all have to allow for - but it requires us to put aside our own fears and examine the facts, thereby risking becoming educated in ways we didn't expect.

Scary thought, and exactly why so many adults become set in their attitudes. And conditioning. Sad really, because learning inspires change, and change is a good thing...