Blood clots and how to clear your body of the spike protien

[SueDonim]

And I am still a novid... Being inclined to be anti people has its benefits.

You had me intrigued with the gender changing thing, but it seems more likely that apparent sex changes are in fact just late developers, though hermaphrodite fish are occasionally seen. They are usually sterile though, so I think I can just focus on the youngsters who start showing male colouration and separate them out till I can select the best one to go back with the females.

In theory, lol...

Gender in guppies is pretty far removed from blood clots in Covid so I'm moving over to Pets for this part.

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And I am still a novid... Being inclined to be anti people has its benefits.

You had me intrigued with the gender changing thing, but it seems more likely that apparent sex changes are in fact just late developers, though hermaphrodite fish are occasionally seen. They are usually sterile though, so I think I can just focus on the youngsters who start showing male colouration and separate them out till I can select the best one to go back with the females.

In theory, lol...

I'm still a novid too.   I think it's from a combination of being vaxxed to the max, assiduous masking, keeping social distance and making the most of my natural introversion by staying home whenever possible.

I'm still astonished at the carelessness that many people (especially oldies like me) demonstrate.  I'm getting quite bold about backing away from people who stand too close, usually men for some reason.   Occasionally I have a fit of politeness and say something like "sorry, I'm just being careful about Covid", which is usually met either by incomprehension, or by a patronising remark along the lines of "Oh Covid went away a long time ago, didn't you know?".

So has disinformation won?

 I like your approach. I nearly had an altercation with an old guy who barged in at the fruit section. I had already moved over to give him space, but he was still so much in face that I said "excuse me.....". He argued back and I tried to tell him that virus or not, it was downright rude to be pushing so close to another customer.

I think, yes, disinformation has won. On this level mainly because people just wanted to get back to "normal" which for them has always been "carry on as usual even when you have a cold/flu" and "don't care who you give it to". They just don't get that the world has changed and the number one thing is that we should give and expect consideration for/from other people.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

People get quite aggressive over masking and social distancing. Almost taking it as an insult. Stupid really considering the reality that the virus is still out there, mutating and infecting.

Those of us taking part in the flu survey, from the ongoing recording of responses, can see quite clearly that this years results are outperforming previous years, even the years of covid lockdowns. Now, that may well be a result influenced by many factors, but it doesn't encourage me to think it is safe enough out there to stop being proactive for those of us vulnerable to respiratory infections.

I'm keeping the hygiene wipes, the hand sanitiser, and the masks. And happily accepting the boosters. I care about staying healthy and independent for as long as possible...

[C_T_Russell]

This is a real eye opener on what the spike proteins are doing to your body, it appears that these blood clots were appearing even before any of the vaccines were available, but the numbers surged during the rollout of them.
Really makes me wonder what this spike protein does to your body.
Its not actually a "blood" clot at all, but more of a cellular mass made up of misfolded proteins, it appears that in a small percentage of people, the body produces them in the cardiovascular system.
These types of clots have never been reported before in humans.


Also some good advice thats emerged on how to rid them out of your body.
Could be useful for anyone suffering from long covid.


https://youtu.be/CuaMPNGG7Nk

and an updated video to follow

https://youtu.be/djqn4HJWEBs

You choose to believe that a retired nurse educator knows more than all the doctors, researchers and other experts, who really ARE experts. Please please please start to learn what evidence, knowledge and research actually mean. Everything that is a risk from the vaccine is a far far far GREATER risk from catching covid. And understand that crackpots on YouTube do not really know. It is time to get past blind faith and learn to analyse and understand real information.

Well if you watch the video, you will see that Dr Campbell is interviewing an expert, who I must say is being careful to say it's a correlation rather than a cause, but needless to say that these clots are real and undertakers have never observed it before covid.
I would like to see some studies on what material the clots are, it should be super simple to prove or disprove if they are made from misfolded proteins.

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from what I read the spike proteins disappear naturally from the body after a few weeks... why would I need to clear my body of the covid spike proteins?

That's supposed to be the case, but it doesn't quite work out that way for everybody unfortunately.

[SueDonim]

You choose to believe that a retired nurse educator knows more than all the doctors, researchers and other experts, who really ARE experts. Please please please start to learn what evidence, knowledge and research actually mean. Everything that is a risk from the vaccine is a far far far GREATER risk from catching covid. And understand that crackpots on YouTube do not really know. It is time to get past blind faith and learn to analyse and understand real information.

Well if you watch the video, you will see that Dr Campbell is interviewing an expert, who I must say is being careful to say it's a correlation rather than a cause, but needless to say that these clots are real and undertakers have never observed it before covid.
I would like to see some studies on what material the clots are, it should be super simple to prove or disprove if they are made from misfolded proteins.

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I'm glad to see that you understand the difference between correlation and cause. At least that is a start.

I didn't watch the video at the time because as soon as I saw who it was I backed out - at the very least not wanting my watching of it to put more money in his pocket - which is what it is all about. And I also don't want to waste 49 minutes looking at garbage when there is a whole world of proper research out there. I looked at some of that just now and can see that there is plenty being done, and that it is clear that Covid is a dangerous disease to be avoided if possible. And vaccines go along way with protection. I saw a few articles about white clots or white thrombosis, none of which related to specifically to covid or vaccines, apart from the context that covid causes blood clots that cause stroke. One even postulates about "COVID‐19 as a Blood Clotting Disorder Masquerading as a Respiratory Illness". The first author has only 7 published articles but he is the Medical Director of Texas Stroke Institute and is clearly an expert in the field. The journal (Journal of Neuroimaging ) looks pretty reputable. It's impact factor is only 2.5 but that is reasonable for something so specialised. It is 9th best in the field of neuroimaging. These are the kinds of things to look for when analysising information.

So for John Campbell's video. I did go back and have a have a look, and....

Who is this "expert"? Major Tom Haviland. Air Force career, "engineer, mathematician and data scientist and analyst". I'm sure he knows a lot about medicine! He said one theory is that the clots are amyloid protein and that someone else found they were fibrin and platelets. I quickly found an article that says that histopathology showed they were 55% platelets and 31% fibrin (so he had that part right). On jumping through a bit I see he says he has done a survey Dec2023 to Jan 2024. And he has results already? The "survey" isn't listed at https://clinicaltrials.gov/ that I can see. That's enough for me. This video has no credibility and I prefer not to waste any more time on it.

Here's an article that comes from McGill Office for Science and Society so has more credibility https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-...-not-think. It's an analysis of Died Suddenly which is mentioned in the Campbell video. This is the kind of thing you should be reading. NOT John Campbell.

[Praktica]

Well if you watch the video, you will see that Dr Campbell is interviewing an expert, who I must say is being careful to say it's a correlation rather than a cause, but needless to say that these clots are real and undertakers have never observed it before covid.
I would like to see some studies on what material the clots are, it should be super simple to prove or disprove if they are made from misfolded proteins.

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Here's an article that comes from McGill Office for Science and Society so has more credibility https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-...-not-think. It's an analysis of Died Suddenly which is mentioned in the Campbell video. This is the kind of thing you should be reading. NOT John Campbell.

But...but...that won't confirm his prejudices! Well done.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

The world is becoming an increasingly scary place for those without the education to research the validity of the material being presented as fact. In a world where AI is being used to generate content that doesn't actually exist (even machines are being taught to tell lies) is it any wonder those without the tools to discriminate are so easily duped by self promoting scammers eager to make money or fame?

[SueDonim]

The world is becoming an increasingly scary place for those without the education to research the validity of the material being presented as fact. In a world where AI is being used to generate content that doesn't actually exist (even machines are being taught to tell lies) is it any wonder those without the tools to discriminate are so easily duped by self promoting scammers eager to make money or fame?

If only the education system would teach critical thinking from the first day of school. That sounds heavy but it's the reality that kids need today. To understand that everything is not as it seems and that some things that are presented in a way that is incorrect or deceitful. 

I have no problem with people who simply "do not know" - after all we all only know about some things. But what seems to go with these CTs and anti-vaxxers is a blind faith in nonsense and no credibility given to people who do know. It's extreme arrogance for a layman to believe a John Campbell and his pseudo-experts over a medical specialist who has done years and years of post-grad education, training and research. Sometimes I wish they would just take a step back and see how silly they really are. I know that some doctors have also confused things by going to the "other side" but usually they can be picked and analysed quite easily. Every profession has misfits who fall by the wayside. We need to ensure that they don't get undeserved fame when they try to fit into the fringe.

We are all entitled to opinions, and social media has made it so much easier to voice them widely, but there is also a responsibility to at least try to put forward informed opinions and to seek out real information instead of giving fame and prominence to people who are just plain wrong. I jump in on these anti-covid/vax/whatever threads because I worry about those who are sucked in and by refusing the vax put their health at more risk than it needs to be. Some may even die because they didn't get vaccinated because some fool on the internet told them it was dangerous. Yes, the vax has risks, but it is very well established that it is one hell of a lot safer than getting the virus without it.

[C_T_Russell]

Here's an article that comes from McGill Office for Science and Society so has more credibility https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-...-not-think. It's an analysis of Died Suddenly which is mentioned in the Campbell video. This is the kind of thing you should be reading. NOT John Campbell.

But...but...that won't confirm his prejudices! Well done.

Of course the "official" narrative will discredit him

I look at all sides of the story and make my own decisions, especially when it comes to my health.

[Praktica]

But...but...that won't confirm his prejudices! Well done.

Of course the "official" narrative will discredit him

I look at all sides of the story and make my own decisions, especially when it comes to my health.

Fine. Detail the scientific and medical education you received, which qualifies you to decide these things.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

But...but...that won't confirm his prejudices! Well done.

Of course the "official" narrative will discredit him

I look at all sides of the story and make my own decisions, especially when it comes to my health.

Thing is CT, there is only one truth. The factual one. Anything else is just a story...

[zqwerty]

Scientists study the immune system of a man who claimed to receive 217 vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immun...tem-384483

[C_T_Russell]

Scientists study the immune system of a man who claimed to receive 217 vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immun...tem-384483

Perhaps he got lucky?
There was also an elderly person who received a whole vial of the stuff from an inexperienced nurse.
Doesnt make it right, and on the other hand there are a ton of people with serious side effects from just one shot.

[king1]

Scientists study the immune system of a man who claimed to receive 217 vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immun...tem-384483

Perhaps he got lucky?
There was also an elderly person who received a whole vial of the stuff from an inexperienced nurse.
Doesnt make it right, and on the other hand there are a ton of people with serious side effects from just one shot.

I don't think luck plays any part in it at 217 jabs...

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Scientists study the immune system of a man who claimed to receive 217 vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immun...tem-384483

Perhaps he got lucky?
There was also an elderly person who received a whole vial of the stuff from an inexperienced nurse.
Doesnt make it right, and on the other hand there are a ton of people with serious side effects from just one shot.

A ton of people?

More than the number saved from the virus and its long term repercussions?

Doubt it. On either of those hands...

[C_T_Russell]

Perhaps he got lucky?
There was also an elderly person who received a whole vial of the stuff from an inexperienced nurse.
Doesnt make it right, and on the other hand there are a ton of people with serious side effects from just one shot.

A ton of people?

More than the number saved from the virus and its long term repercussions?

Doubt it. On either of those hands...

Clearly you don't know anyone affected, but oddly enough the only people I know who suffered bad from covid were jabbed that many times I lost count.

I wonder how many unvaxxed people died from covid? I don't know any personally, nor do I know anyone unvaxxed who was unwell from covid.
It's just another flu strain essentially, albeit messed around with in a Chinese lab.

[king1]

A ton of people?

More than the number saved from the virus and its long term repercussions?

Doubt it. On either of those hands...

Clearly you don't know anyone affected, but oddly enough the only people I know who suffered bad from covid were jabbed that many times I lost count.

I wonder how many unvaxxed people died from covid? I don't know any personally, nor do I know anyone unvaxxed who was unwell from covid.
It's just another flu strain essentially, albeit messed around with in a Chinese lab.

This is US data but I can't imagine it would be much different in NZ - proportionally yes, many more unvaxxed died than vaxxed... 
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/unite...ion-status

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I do know several people who were unvaxed and died during covid. People in my community, people I saw regularly, people who went to their hospital beds without family support and had no funerals because of the covid restrictions. Interesting thing, there were very few complaints about that even though their people were deeply affected by the absence of ritualised mourning. The support for those safety measures was very strong among our neighbourhood, but then we were one of the hotbeds and very aware of the cases among us.

And btw, the jabs number six in total, for those of us who keep up with them. Is six too hard a number to count?

I am beginning to wonder about the level of misinformation you seem to hold close. Everytime you post it gets easier to refute the claims you repeat. Is that not telling you something? Or are you choosing to ignore that for some reason that escapes me...

[Wainuiguy]

I do know several people who were unvaxed and died during covid. People in my community, people I saw regularly, people who went to their hospital beds without family support and had no funerals because of the covid restrictions. Interesting thing, there were very few complaints about that even though their people were deeply affected by the absence of ritualised mourning. The support for those safety measures was very strong among our neighbourhood, but then we were one of the hotbeds and very aware of the cases among us.

And btw, the jabs number six in total, for those of us who keep up with them. Is six too hard a number to count?

I am beginning to wonder about the level of misinformation you seem to hold close. Everytime you post it gets easier to refute the claims you repeat. Is that not telling you something? Or are you choosing to ignore that for some reason that escapes me...

I counted to 2 - at that point I could be assed getting more and have had covid once.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I do know several people who were unvaxed and died during covid. People in my community, people I saw regularly, people who went to their hospital beds without family support and had no funerals because of the covid restrictions. Interesting thing, there were very few complaints about that even though their people were deeply affected by the absence of ritualised mourning. The support for those safety measures was very strong among our neighbourhood, but then we were one of the hotbeds and very aware of the cases among us.

And btw, the jabs number six in total, for those of us who keep up with them. Is six too hard a number to count?

I am beginning to wonder about the level of misinformation you seem to hold close. Everytime you post it gets easier to refute the claims you repeat. Is that not telling you something? Or are you choosing to ignore that for some reason that escapes me...

I counted to 2 - at that point I could be assed getting more and have had covid once.

Well, update that vax status with the latest round of juice. Do it for us. After all, we need more than three people to yell at, and just between thee'n me, the others aren't up to much... 

[SueDonim]

I wonder how many unvaxxed people died from covid? I don't know any personally, nor do I know anyone unvaxxed who was unwell from covid.
It's just another flu strain essentially, albeit messed around with in a Chinese lab.

The fact that you would "wonder" rather than seek the actual information shows your naivety. It only takes a very quick google search to get some answers - eg https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/unite...ion-status, accompanied by this article about the data https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination.

Whether you do or don't know anyone personally is irrelevant. Whom you do and don't know is personal to you, biased by your beliefs and is not a significant subset of society.

The virus has some similarity with flu in that they are both enveloped corona viruses. But the differences between them are huge, especially the danger levels. The original strain was much much more dangerous. The newer strains are more contagious but less lethal and here in NZ seem to still be causing about twice the death rate of the flu and apparently a lot more post-viral effects than those that come with the flu.

Here's something real for you to read - written by doctors who know what they are talking about rather than laymen looking at random nonsense on the internet https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/1000302.

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Clearly you don't know anyone affected, but oddly enough the only people I know who suffered bad from covid were jabbed that many times I lost count.

I wonder how many unvaxxed people died from covid? I don't know any personally, nor do I know anyone unvaxxed who was unwell from covid.
It's just another flu strain essentially, albeit messed around with in a Chinese lab.

This is US data but I can't imagine it would be much different in NZ - proportionally yes, many more unvaxxed died than vaxxed... 
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/unite...ion-status

Sorry  king1, you beat me to it and I missed that. Good on you.