Sack Marama Davidson!

[Wainuiguy]

So, then are we agreed that Marama was correct in her somewhat emotional statement  and that she should be neither forced into a false apology nor fired?

I do wonder though which bit of it caused the most fuss, the cis bit, the white bit, or the males bit? Maybe she should've added over the age of ten, and perhaps even wearing suits...

Nope she should apologise.  It was a stupid thing to say regardless of her reasoning after the fact.  But she does have a bit of a history regarding stupid comments- taking back the word "cnut" anyone?

[king1]

So, then are we agreed that Marama was correct in her somewhat emotional statement  and that she should be neither forced into a false apology nor fired?

I do wonder though which bit of it caused the most fuss, the cis bit, the white bit, or the males bit? Maybe she should've added over the age of ten, and perhaps even wearing suits...

Nope she should apologise.  It was a stupid thing to say regardless of her reasoning after the fact.  But she does have a bit of a history regarding stupid comments- taking back the word "cnut" anyone?

I believe she did...  or are you looking for a personal apology yourself, having been so offended?

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I cannot see it being ever stupid to make a statement of fact. No matter who chooses to be offended by it. Or take it personally.

[Praktica]

We have a snowflake here, it seems...

[C_T_Russell]

Please excuse my ignorance but some people are using a contraction 'CT' in their posts. Does this mean Cis-Trans?

whenever I use CT it is either CT ie shortened version of the user name of the OP  C_T_Russell, or CT for conspiracy theorist.  Context should make it obvious.

Up until a day ago I had no idea about Cis-Trans, so def not that from my POV

Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.

A female transsexual murdered three children ages 8 and 9 and three adults at a Nashville Covenant School: children Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs, and William Kinney and adults Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, there were mixed reports and a great deal of speculation about the identity and sex of the shooter.
The confusion was ostensibly put to bed when the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department issued an update at 1:53 p.m. on March 27, revealing the shooter had been identified as a 28-year-old Nashville woman.
The Media soon discovered that the female child-killer used "he/him" pronouns on her LinkedIn page and wrote her preferred male name on the stock of the rifle she used in the shooting.
The New York Times issued an update several hours after the rampage, effectively apologizing for having dared to identify the school shooter by her biological sex.      And so they should!

And there is the proof for Marama that transgender people can be just as dangerous as cis gendered people.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

I cannot imagine the psychological stress burden that must come from having to overcome biological gender.

Being born straight is just such a blessing.

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whenever I use CT it is either CT ie shortened version of the user name of the OP  C_T_Russell, or CT for conspiracy theorist.  Context should make it obvious.

Up until a day ago I had no idea about Cis-Trans, so def not that from my POV

Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.

A female transsexual murdered three children ages 8 and 9 and three adults at a Nashville Covenant School: children Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs, and William Kinney and adults Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, there were mixed reports and a great deal of speculation about the identity and sex of the shooter.
The confusion was ostensibly put to bed when the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department issued an update at 1:53 p.m. on March 27, revealing the shooter had been identified as a 28-year-old Nashville woman.
The Media soon discovered that the female child-killer used "he/him" pronouns on her LinkedIn page and wrote her preferred male name on the stock of the rifle she used in the shooting.
The New York Times issued an update several hours after the rampage, effectively apologizing for having dared to identify the school shooter by her biological sex.      And so they should!

And there is the proof for Marama that transgender people can be just as dangerous as cis gendered people.

This trans chooses to express as a male, therefore one might assume that being male in the USA involves guns in ways other males in other countries just cannot understand.

Could it be a mass psychosis? This gun thing they have? Killing their own children on such a scale has to be a mental health issue, surely.

[Lilith7]

The right are very keen to disparage the govt at present, (& anything will do since there's an election not far off) which goes some way to explain their sudden horror at violence against women being said to be perpetrated by mainly heterosexual men.


If kids grow up seeing their Mum's partner being violent towards her then eventually that becomes normal & can become seen as a 'normal' way of expressing love. And it can be extremely difficult to leave such a situation.

We perhaps need to start at the primary school & high school level by teaching kids empathy, which would be a step in the right direction.

the problem with that is those that desperately need that kind of education probably aren't attending school for various reasons...

Well then, there's nothing else for it - we'll need to form a committee & march into their homes, drag the little sweetie darlings out & indoctrinate them immediately...

Possibly maternity hospitals might make a good starting point..

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whenever I use CT it is either CT ie shortened version of the user name of the OP  C_T_Russell, or CT for conspiracy theorist.  Context should make it obvious.

Up until a day ago I had no idea about Cis-Trans, so def not that from my POV

Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.

A female transsexual murdered three children ages 8 and 9 and three adults at a Nashville Covenant School: children Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs, and William Kinney and adults Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, there were mixed reports and a great deal of speculation about the identity and sex of the shooter.
The confusion was ostensibly put to bed when the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department issued an update at 1:53 p.m. on March 27, revealing the shooter had been identified as a 28-year-old Nashville woman.
The Media soon discovered that the female child-killer used "he/him" pronouns on her LinkedIn page and wrote her preferred male name on the stock of the rifle she used in the shooting.
The New York Times issued an update several hours after the rampage, effectively apologizing for having dared to identify the school shooter by her biological sex.      And so they should!

And there is the proof for Marama that transgender people can be just as dangerous as cis gendered people.

I may be wrong but I'm reasonably sure that one trans doesn't quite stack up against the much larger numbers of male violence.

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I cannot imagine the psychological stress burden that must come from having to overcome biological gender.

Being born straight is just such a blessing.

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Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.


And there is the proof for Marama that transgender people can be just as dangerous as cis gendered people.

This trans chooses to express as a male, therefore one might assume that being male in the USA involves guns in ways other males in other countries just cannot understand.

Could it be a mass psychosis? This gun thing they have? Killing their own children on such a scale has to be a mental health issue, surely.

I can't help wondering if a little drop of eostrogen might help dilute that gun-happy nonsense...

[king1]

I cannot imagine the psychological stress burden that must come from having to overcome biological gender.

Being born straight is just such a blessing.

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Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.


And there is the proof for Marama that transgender people can be just as dangerous as cis gendered people.

This trans chooses to express as a male, therefore one might assume that being male in the USA involves guns in ways other males in other countries just cannot understand.

Could it be a mass psychosis? This gun thing they have? Killing their own children on such a scale has to be a mental health issue, surely.

I would imagine a mass psychosis would explain the NRA

[king1]

whenever I use CT it is either CT ie shortened version of the user name of the OP  C_T_Russell, or CT for conspiracy theorist.  Context should make it obvious.

Up until a day ago I had no idea about Cis-Trans, so def not that from my POV

Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.

On that subject and out of curiosity, why do you have the founder of that organisation as your avatar?

[C_T_Russell]

Well I can assure you neither of those acronyms have anything to do with my username. A quick google search of "C T Russell" will verify this.

On that subject and out of curiosity, why do you have the founder of that organisation as your avatar?

To see if any potential ex-members here would notice

[Wainuiguy]

I cannot see it being ever stupid to make a statement of fact. No matter who chooses to be offended by it. Or take it personally.

It was not a statement of fact.  Her comment was the white cis men (dumb term) were responsible for ALL the violence.  That statement is an absolute lie.

And let's put aside the " I was just hit by a motorcyclist " lie as well.  That occurred THREE HOURS PRIOR.

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Nope she should apologise.  It was a stupid thing to say regardless of her reasoning after the fact.  But she does have a bit of a history regarding stupid comments- taking back the word "cnut" anyone?

I believe she did...  or are you looking for a personal apology yourself, having been so offended?

No a general one should suffice.  Not that she will because that is actually what she feels.

[Oh_hunnihunni]

Amazing.

A woman gets hit by a motorcyclist on a pedestrian crossing and is expected to be right as rain and thinking straight when later confronted by a right wing attention seeker media whore...

Good to know.

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I cannot see it being ever stupid to make a statement of fact. No matter who chooses to be offended by it. Or take it personally.

It was not a statement of fact.  Her comment was the white cis men (dumb term) were responsible for ALL the violence.  That statement is an absolute lie.

And let's put aside the " I was just hit by a motorcyclist " lie as well.  That occurred THREE HOURS PRIOR.

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I believe she did...  or are you looking for a personal apology yourself, having been so offended?

No a general one should suffice.  Not that she will because that is actually what she feels.

Backed up by fact, let's not forget.

[king1]

I cannot see it being ever stupid to make a statement of fact. No matter who chooses to be offended by it. Or take it personally.

It was not a statement of fact.  Her comment was the white cis men (dumb term) were responsible for ALL the violence.  That statement is an absolute lie.

And let's put aside the " I was just hit by a motorcyclist " lie as well.  That occurred THREE HOURS PRIOR.

I'm thinking I could potentially take days to get the 'hit by a motorcycle' out of my system. You expect someone to be chipper after three hours?

[The_Bogan]

Or did she hit the motorcycle?

[king1]

Or did she hit the motorcycle?

another protest about those pesky motorcyclists will likely be required...

[Wainuiguy]

It was not a statement of fact.  Her comment was the white cis men (dumb term) were responsible for ALL the violence.  That statement is an absolute lie.

And let's put aside the " I was just hit by a motorcyclist " lie as well.  That occurred THREE HOURS PRIOR.

I'm thinking I could potentially take days to get the 'hit by a motorcycle' out of my system.  You expect someone to be chipper after three hours?

Well based on the pics I have seen it does appear she failed to look right, look left then look right again  then cross.  Probably too much right in there for Marama.

Yes she was so traumatized by the accident she went and protested and partied for 3 hours - then it hit her - the next day when she realised she had screwed the pooch.

[king1]

I'm thinking I could potentially take days to get the 'hit by a motorcycle' out of my system.  You expect someone to be chipper after three hours?

Well based on the pics I have seen it does appear she failed to look right, look left then look right again  then cross.  Probably too much right in there for Marama.

Yes she was so traumatized by the accident she went and protested and partied for 3 hours - then it hit her - the next day when she realised she had screwed the pooch.

A nice dose of speculation.

[Wainuiguy]

Well based on the pics I have seen it does appear she failed to look right, look left then look right again  then cross.  Probably too much right in there for Marama.

Yes she was so traumatized by the accident she went and protested and partied for 3 hours - then it hit her - the next day when she realised she had screwed the pooch.

A nice dose of speculation.

Was it an uncontrolled crossing?  If it was Marama may need to check her road rules as you need to wait for cars etc to stop before crossing.  In the pic it looked like she thought she was a crossing guard, stepping out with her hand up.

[Lilith7]

I cannot see it being ever stupid to make a statement of fact. No matter who chooses to be offended by it. Or take it personally.

Good grief. Regardless of any annoyingly inconvenient facts, it will perhaps invariably be her fault for some.

[Wainuiguy]

I cannot see it being ever stupid to make a statement of fact. No matter who chooses to be offended by it. Or take it personally.

Good grief. Regardless of any annoyingly inconvenient facts, it will perhaps invariably be her fault for some.

Her initial statement was not fact. It was a racist generalisation.